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  SPIDER: AMD -- The Battle is on - Reviews
  Posted by: Hfx-Rebel on 11-26-2007 @ 19:10 - Source: Matt “The D.O.G.” Mefford
This News Item has been viewed 599,695 times
SPIDER: AMD
unveils its plans to take on Intel and Nvidia
By Matt “The D.O.G.” Mefford


This past week, select members of the gaming press were invited to a private AMD benchmark event. Behind closed doors, FileFront got to see what AMD has in store for the Holiday season. By now, you have no doubt read about the new CPUs and GPUs on the way, but what does it mean to us gamers? Read on!



AMD’s New Strategy
To sum up AMD’s new business strategy in one word: Spider. With the acquisition of ATI, AMD is in the business of CPUs, motherboards, and now GPUs. Spider is comprised of three core components: The AMD Phenom 65nm CPU, the ATI Radeon HD 55nm GPU, and the AMD 790 Chipset.



The AMD 790 Chipset
The heart of AMD’s Spider technology, the 790 chipset is the basis for their new motherboards. What it brings to the table is CrossFireX, which gives us the option to stack up to FOUR GPUs in our system. With support for DDR2 RAM, these boards help the user save some money (you won’t have to buy the more expensive DDR3 memory sticks). Also helping the user save on cost, the 790 chipset includes “Bernstein” 8 channel audio processing and output. With this capability on board, the user doesn’t have to buy a dedicated sound card. For the readers who are gaming enthusiasts, the included AMD Overdrive utility allows you to overclock the 790 chipset to your liking.



AMD’S “PHENOM”
The second component of the AMD’s Spider strategy is the new “Phenom” CPU. Utilizing a new 65nm die process, each CPU has a reduced heat envelope and is more energy efficient. This means that your rig will produce less heat, and require much less juice from your power supply. What does the “Phenom” processor mean to you? Simply put, it is AMD’s first desktop quad core solution. As of now, two models are available: the 2.2-GHz 9500 and 2.3-GHz 9600. A 2.4-Ghz (X4 9700) and a 2.6-Ghz (X4 9900) Phenom will be available in the first quarter of 2008.



ATI’S RADEON HD
The last component in AMD’s Spider strategy is the ATI Radeon HD GPU. Coming in two flavors, the HD 3850 and 3870, this new offering has a 55nm process. Just like the Phenom CPU, the reduced die process allows for less heat build-up and lower power consumption. The 3850 has 256MB of GDDR3 memory while the 3870 has 512MB of the new GDDR4 memory. For the enthusiast, the CrossFireX capabilities of the motherboard allow you to put up to 4 Radeon HDs into your PC.

PRICING
So how much can we expect to pay for these AMD Spider components? According to Newegg.com this is what to expect:

    MOBO/CHIPSET:
    • GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-DS4 AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX:..............$169.99
    • MSI K9A2 Platinum AM2+/AM2 790FX ATX:..............................................$179.99

    CPU:
    • AMD Phenom 9500 @ 2.2 GHz:.........................................................$259.99
    • AMD Phenom 9600 @ 2.3 GHz:.................................................................Not available – 1KU pricing is $283

    GPU:
    • Radeon HD 3850:.................................................................................$179.00
    • Radeon HD 3870:.........................................................................................$219.00


GOT QUESTIONS? SUBMIT THEM HERE!
AMD is offering you, the reader, to answer any questions you might have. Got questions regarding the new AMD CPUs or ATI Radeons? Not sure if the 970 chipset is for you? Ask them here! We will be selecting the best questions over the next few weeks. These will be published in a future article here. Stay tuned!

ADDITIONAL READING:

ATI Radeon HD 3850 and 3870 Performance
Power Consumption - AMD Spider Platform vs. Intel Quad Core System
When Quad Cores Collide – AMD Phenom 9600 vs. Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600



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 #1 - cool - 11-26-2007 at 19:20
Biologist
From: (MI)
Joined: April 8th, 2007
Posts: 15
Sweet!! Can't wait to get it!Rock

 #2 - 11-26-2007 at 19:21
PvtFoley
From: (ChristChurch)
Joined: January 16th, 2005
Posts: 1201
I have no idea what most of this means, but I'm sure it's good news?

 #3 - 11-26-2007 at 19:21
FFxSTALKERx (Staff)
From: (PA)
Joined: December 8th, 2006
Posts: 319
Do you still have to buy the stupid "crossfire edition" GPU or can you just get two identical cards (like with SLI)

 #4 - 11-26-2007 at 19:22
Death_Dream
From: (Des Moines, IA)
Joined: March 6th, 2005
Posts: 484
I think I will still stick with Nvidia.

~Death Dream~

 #5 - WOOT - 11-26-2007 at 19:39
STARFLEET27
Joined: August 24th, 2003
Posts: 290
Long Live AMD/ATI. I knew they were going to make fantastic products the day these 2 awesome companies merged. Death to Intel lol.
Can't wait.

 #6 - 11-26-2007 at 19:40
TK_4207
From:
Joined: August 13th, 2007
Posts: 132
Holy shiz!!!! 4 GPUs!!!! I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw that!!! Dang!!!!

 #7 - 11-26-2007 at 19:56
Lennis
From: (Springfield, Missouri)
Joined: October 13th, 2004
Posts: 163
Things like this put me in a quandry. Do I attempt to upgrade my system and risk messing something up? Or do I splurge on an entirely new system and watch it become obsolete within a year? Still, it's hard to complain when upgrades like this will undoubtedly make BC better than ever.

 #8 - hah - 11-26-2007 at 20:20
MicFire999
From: (Niagara Falls)
Joined: October 6th, 2004
Posts: 1349
4 gpu's, nothing takes advantage of that atm.

The Radeon HD 3870.. is a joke, still slower then Nvidia's year old 8800GTX.

SLI is more known/mature then Crossfire.

AMD (i used to be a fanboy, this makes me sad) is going downhill since their new "quad core" is actually slower in games then their X2 6400...

Unless AMD/ATI pull something really powerful out, instead of low priced low end components.. they will slowly drop.

 #9 - 11-26-2007 at 20:23
Motif
From: (Woodbridge/Lodi)
Joined: June 30th, 2005
Posts: 114
all 4 cards together are gonna give off a hell of a lot of heat. you best throw down even more money for a water cooling system. i was an AMD kinda guy for years but after i got this intel duel core E6600 oc'ed to 3.6Ghz i think ill stick with intel now. never did like ATI. long live nvidia

 #10 - 11-26-2007 at 20:55
adc2000974
Joined: October 19th, 2005
Posts: 71
so this might be cool in about 3years when they work out all the software/hardware stability issues that come with it. - dont be fooled. its gimmic stuff

 #11 - 11-26-2007 at 21:11
supashooter
From: (San Francisco)
Joined: October 16th, 2004
Posts: 661
FOUR GPUs? HOLY FATHER OF GOD THAT'S A LOT OF UMPF

 #12 - 11-26-2007 at 21:27
mlord5000
From:
Joined: October 22nd, 2006
Posts: 523
I have duo core and an 8800GTS no need for this stuff

 #13 - 11-26-2007 at 22:11
WsKSilent
Joined: February 2nd, 2007
Posts: 186
ive seen 8gpus on one mobo but only with the 7950 thats already in sli

 #14 - fascinating - 11-26-2007 at 23:12
kahless5
From: (Deck Five)
Joined: May 20th, 2004
Posts: 374
i just have a question: If you don't balance the plasma flow through the buffers at the right oscillation frequency, dont you risk overloading the relays in the auxillary power unit? 0.o

 #15 - Kahless - 11-26-2007 at 23:21
MicFire999
From: (Niagara Falls)
Joined: October 6th, 2004
Posts: 1349
there is no form of plasma in computer hardware, so if you're serious, shh.. If you aren't, then you got me lol.

Like I said before, SLI is more "utilized" for being known and being more mature/stable.

Its sad that this CPU they are offering for such a low price, is slower then its 2 year old cousins in game benchmarks.. the GPU's that AMD just released are STILL slower then Nvidia's year old 8800GTX, and the Chipset is fairly new meaning it will have compatibility issues with other hardware.

C'mon AMD/ATI.. you were both doing so well before you merged, now you are selling "medium ranged" hardware at super low prices?

I want to see your true capabilities.. I want to see you make a GPU with CPU calculating abilities, at clock speeds of CPU's.. Dual core GPU's..

CMON!!

 #16 - OH Yea!!!!!!! - 11-26-2007 at 23:36
logicisonlythebeginning
From: (ID)
Joined: May 17th, 2004
Posts: 125
Nice...Very Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 #17 - This combo is amazing !!! - 11-26-2007 at 23:44
dafama2k7
From: (Salt (Girona))
Joined: September 28th, 2006
Posts: 3117
Great, thanks to AMD and ATI, this is awesome !!! cool

 #18 - #15 - 11-27-2007 at 00:48
Ruu
Joined: February 26th, 2003
Posts: 14
Seeing as your on BCFILES, shouldn't you recognize trek tec talk!!

Plasma flow... buffers.........

have you ever watched Star Trek????????

 #19 - 11-27-2007 at 02:06
ameba
Joined: July 26th, 2005
Posts: 643
well, tihs for sure is advertising - and in the editorial part of this site. i am not glad at all about this - and i hope this becomes a one time experience. would the staff please get real again?

 #20 - 11-27-2007 at 02:42
bobzilla
From:
Joined: April 16th, 2006
Posts: 439
I heard many new games don't even support dual cards with sli..
what good is all this if we can't even run the games!!

 #21 - 11-27-2007 at 03:57
Hfx-Rebel (Staff)
From: (Nova Scotia)
Joined: April 19th, 2003
Posts: 765
Quote:
Seeing as your on BCFILES, shouldn't you recognize trek tec talk!!

Plasma flow... buffers.........

have you ever watched Star Trek????????

Look again, this is a Network-wide post, which means, it shows up on all of the game sites...

Quote:
well, tihs for sure is advertising - and in the editorial part of this site. i am not glad at all about this - and i hope this becomes a one time experience. would the staff please get real again?
See my explanation above; and this is in the 'Review' category.

 #22 - 11-27-2007 at 04:33
assassin100
From:
Joined: August 24th, 2007
Posts: 17
I think I will just stick to my QX6850 extreme and my 8800 ultras running in SLI for now

 #23 - 11-27-2007 at 05:18
NedStar
From:
Joined: November 11th, 2007
Posts: 49
Sure hope they finally strike back with a vengeance.
My 2900 XT still bsod's from time to time on the drivers, so i do hope they get their stuff right this time around.

 #24 - 11-27-2007 at 05:30
Adenn_Vod
From: (Budapest)
Joined: May 20th, 2007
Posts: 57
wtf did Amd bribe you?
this is nothing
ati is nothing
amd too

 #25 - 11-27-2007 at 06:29
0rph3us
From: (Valga)
Joined: July 10th, 2005
Posts: 245
That's weird..... I always thought that AMD and nVidia are meant to be together, dunno why, they just seemed to fit with each other. I wish AMD would've joined nVidia, not Intel. frown It's like, AMD is meant for gaming and nVidia is meant for gaming (more than ATI) Argh! The world is a messed up place

 #26 - this is realy dow relavent... - 11-27-2007 at 08:39
GeorgeRox26
From: (KIMPTON!)
Joined: March 20th, 2007
Posts: 345
how did this make news??

 #27 - wat? - 11-27-2007 at 08:54
glasseye141
Joined: October 22nd, 2007
Posts: 38
this article meens absolutly nothin 2 me

 #28 - 11-27-2007 at 08:57
PizzaPete
From:
Joined: October 25th, 2004
Posts: 190
Why are filefront selling themselves out? This stuff is pretty much outdated almost. Considering the major selling point seems to be less heat build up (Yet they offer to let you use 4 cards in one go, causing Huge heat problems) I don't really find any of it interesting. Oh yay, lets go get a more expensive outdated card.

 #29 - 11-27-2007 at 09:05
Hfx-Rebel (Staff)
From: (Nova Scotia)
Joined: April 19th, 2003
Posts: 765
Quote:
how did this make news??
This is a review of hardware that gamers may (or may not) be interested in.
Quote:
this article meens absolutly nothin 2 me
Thanks for sharing
Quote:
Why are filefront selling themselves out? This stuff is pretty much outdated almost. Considering the major selling point seems to be less heat build up (Yet they offer to let you use 4 cards in one go, causing Huge heat problems) I don't really find any of it interesting. Oh yay, lets go get a more expensive outdated card.

FileFront is not selling out, we are not concerned with any selling points of this article, it is not an ad, it is merley a review.

 #30 - 11-27-2007 at 10:52
Stryder94
From: (Red Deer Alberta)
Joined: March 28th, 2007
Posts: 40
that was in english right?

cause i didnt understand a word it meant, all i know is it means something good an will run new games really well

 #31 - 11-27-2007 at 11:04
ameba
Joined: July 26th, 2005
Posts: 643
@hfx rebel: sorry, mate, but this is a hurray-article, uncritical, one-sided AND not journalistic. dont sell me that sh*** that this is a review, you dont even compair it with something else. AND you are giving away any critical intetion with this here:

"GOT QUESTIONS? SUBMIT THEM HERE!
AMD is offering you, the reader, to answer any questions you might have. Got questions regarding the new AMD CPUs or ATI Radeons? Not sure if the 970 chipset is for you? Ask them here! We will be selecting the best questions over the next few weeks. These will be published in a future article here. Stay tuned!"

this is a very sad moment for filefront. and YOU are responsible for it.

 #32 - 11-27-2007 at 12:16
Hells_MagistrateIV
From:
Joined: September 29th, 2005
Posts: 72
The worst part of all this is the ATI cards and the fact that, even though they are the onlt true Quad-Core processors, they still aren't as fast as the core duos. For a fan of AMD this is gonna hurt.

 #33 - 11-27-2007 at 12:29
WNxYungJoc
From: (Ohio)
Joined: December 24th, 2006
Posts: 4
Erm,,, at all who say that the 800GTX is faster than the 3870, who cares, the 3870 is 1/3 the price of the GTX and 2 3870s probably would outperform an 8800gtx for still less money

 #34 - 11-27-2007 at 12:43
acetankkiller
From:
Joined: July 25th, 2003
Posts: 144
Some people here might prefer buying budget parts over expensive quality parts.If we all were interested in performance we would all own BMWs and Mercedes haha.

 #35 - 11-27-2007 at 13:06
neilX
From:
Joined: May 29th, 2003
Posts: 27
im no expert , but i think a 3 core cpu is the way to go. A 4 core can not not be use to its full potential i think for a few years to come, but a 3 core offers a better well balanced offering and im sure a whole lot cheaper to produce.
I have always had AMD but why DDR3 and AM3 . it just seems everything is going out of control , then again i will be one of those people if i had the cash buy these AMD offerings! Can you send me these products to try them out please AMD mateys!!

Thanks !javascript:void(null)
roll eyes (sarcastic)

 #36 - What killed ATI cards - 11-27-2007 at 13:35
MicFire999
From: (Niagara Falls)
Joined: October 6th, 2004
Posts: 1349
Is the 8800GT.

For 200-250 bucks, you can get the 8800GT which performs only around 5-10% slower then the 8800GTX, and doesn't produce much heat.

This 8800GT, going for the same price range, and performs better, with an intel core 2 duo 6600+ would still destroy AMD's "quad core" and ATI card.

Its sad, I used to be a huge AMD fan.. They were the first to hit 1GHZ, they were the first to create a successful 64bit Chip... and now, they are just falling apart.

ATI used to give Nvidia serious competition, now, their best card is some medium ranged card that still can't out perform a year old Nvidia card.

 #37 - 11-27-2007 at 14:22
Gearbud
From:
Joined: March 5th, 2005
Posts: 185
Intel completely smacked down AMD after the embarrassing defeat they seem not likely to repeat again when the Athlon 64's came out. Now with Intel already on a 45nm process compared to AMD's still 65nm, I have no idea how they're going to compete performance wise, but price wise yes. But in a year Intel's already grabbed the trust of the market back, and once Intel has you, it's hard to get it off.

Same thing with ATI (owned by AMD obviously). So unless they come up with some revolutionary whatever like a processor with 8800 performance graphics on it eliminating the need for a graphics card all together or whatnot, then I don't see much competition between AMD and ATI versus Intel and Nvidia. I all for competition though, so I pray that AMD & ATI's lower price marketing strategy pulls thorough and they exit their doldrums.

My only question at this point is: Why on Earth did AMD purchase the entire ATI company in the first place?

 #38 - Any info is better than no info - 11-27-2007 at 14:42
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
Guys get a grip..and stop whining about a news item. It's a news piece telling GAMERS, yes GAMERS,what hardware options they have out there...I think this type of news piece is actually quite informative, You go to any of the hardware tech websites and you'll definitely get an opinion on any piece of hardware, everyone has a right to know whats out there and people on Filefront who are gamers need to know what is on the market so they can improve their gaming experiences if they wish...

Any info is better than no info

 #39 - 11-27-2007 at 15:21
evbunke
From: (WI)
Joined: April 15th, 2007
Posts: 119
woot! 4 GPUs!!!!!

 #40 - 11-27-2007 at 15:47
kamikaziwatermelon1234
Joined: January 2nd, 2006
Posts: 1077
THATS FREAKING AWESOME and incredibly expensive

 #41 - 11-27-2007 at 17:22
Mr.Funsocks (Staff)
From: (Network Management)
Joined: August 20th, 2004
Posts: 1003
You guys getting paid to put this up here?

 #42 - i would get it - 11-27-2007 at 17:59
scottyz23
From: (Idaho)
Joined: July 22nd, 2006
Posts: 146
i would get it but those video cards support Direct x 10!! and since only about 3 games use Directx10 (Hellgate: London, Crysis, and some other one), its worthless!! at least in a year or 2. but that doesn't mean i'll switch quite yet... besides i need a new sound card, new system memory, and maybe some new games too but i could just buy a Xbox 360 and get Halo 3 lol!!RockRockTwo Thumbs Up!

 #43 - 11-27-2007 at 18:19
Return_of_Elrond
From: (Uranus)
Joined: December 16th, 2005
Posts: 252
Yep, gonna get it!

 #44 - Amd good but ATI hm mmmmmmm.........:( - 11-28-2007 at 02:16
DDrom
From: (Qld)
Joined: July 14th, 2006
Posts: 110
Amd is good gear but i wouldnt use ATI in a fit . frown
Nvidia is the only way to go. smile

 #45 - Expensive - 11-28-2007 at 02:55
Vendre
From: (Roma)
Joined: February 21st, 2007
Posts: 245
They are a bit expensive......
I have seen better cards with lower prices in Sweden..

 #46 - 11-28-2007 at 06:03
bfkdarthrevan
From: (Hasselt)
Joined: July 5th, 2007
Posts: 318
Maybe the AMD is good, but nVidia wil probably find a way to beat ati. Cuz everyone knows it: nVidia, the way it's meant to be played wink

 #47 - 11-28-2007 at 09:37
Dardobul
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Posts: 6
Personally, i welcome the news. As one of the "riff-raff" who play DC on minimum spec due to not actually being able to afford an 8800 GTX LET ALONE anything to go with it, i think this is good news. And the heat and power save is a big deal for me, as those are the 2 issues my current (and previous) PCs have suffered from. Normally i don't like ATI (bad experiences) so i'm a tad more skeptical about those but... I'll wait and see haha release rarely tells you anything useful, as all the components are operating at peak performance in optimum conditions, I find user reviews more helpful. And finally, this isn't selling out. I probably wouldn't have know about this release if it wasn't on here, so thanks guys! Rock

 #48 - 11-28-2007 at 10:39
Temporal
From: (Nottingham)
Joined: March 1st, 2004
Posts: 237
This is a joke, there's no review here, it's blatent advertising.

 #49 - 11-28-2007 at 12:12
Icewolf132
From:
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Posts: 36
I got to agree with Temporal here, there's hardly any reviewing in this article, the opening paragraph hints at it (though it might be in the next article with the Q&A), but from the first graphic down is obvious advertisement.

Being on topic, I'd consider the CPU, but when I upgrade next I'll be going with nVida; I'll have enough money by then for something with a bit more.

 #50 - To all you nVidia fanbois, and add'tl infoz for the rest of ya- - 11-28-2007 at 13:29
TheRealSceneGraphManager
From:
Joined: March 13th, 2007
Posts: 109
I suggest you read the 3870 performance review. It costs less and performs very comparably to the 8800GT. It's also actually available, and if you count street price for the 8800, it's actually on the order of $100 cheaper. If you're going to bash, please, well, you know, get things right.

I also believe there's some benches out there that prove two 3870's in CrossFire config beat out an 8800GTX (maybe even an Ultra, i don't recall at the moment) by a decent margin-- and are $100-ish cheaper for the pair. If that isn't a slap in the face I don't know what is. Rumor has it that there's a new variant with two of these on a single card, a la the 7950GX2. That should be interesting.


Also, I believe someone mentioned 3-core CPUs. I'm not an electrical engineer, nor do I claim to be, but I believe that due to timing and physics constraints this is effectively impossible. It's not just coincidence that cores, memory capacity, etc. increase in powers of two. It's done so that everything has this sort of cluster of syncs upon syncs that make your magic (black?) box make all the pretty pictures. It's complex, and has to do with spacing and the speed of electrical current.

Games also easily take full advantage of quad-core CPUs, the trick is whether or not the multithreading design was decent and has a more data-driven approach. See Supreme Commander.

 #51 - Update on Article - 11-28-2007 at 14:45
The_DOG
Joined: April 2nd, 2005
Posts: 101
To set the record straight, this is not a review. AMD did not hand out reference boards for testing to ANYONE. It was a benchmark event for those interested. As such, you will note that there is NO review score here. This article was intended as an up-front introduction for you, the readers, in order to get an idea of what AMD/ATI is offering. It is meant to segue into a Q&A with the dev crew involving questions by the readers of FileFront.

Quick update on the Phenom 9600 CPU: NewEgg still does NOT have them in stock, only the 9500s. A Google search will show other vendors who have it. Prices range $290 to $325 U.S. dollars. Expect to pay more than the 1KU price of $283.

GraphManager: The rumor you heard about dual GPUs on a single card is well substantiated. Single-card solutions should based on the 3870 GPU should be available sometime after January. AMD didn't want to talk about it, but they have them in the works.

Gearbud: Great question. Can we post it in the Q&A? A lot of people are probably wondering why the acquisition happened.

Icewolf: This is not an advertisement. As even you pointed out, this was meant to segue into a Q&A with questions provided by readers. If it was an advertisement, you wouldn't see additional links at the bottom of the page for further reading (not everything they say in those articles is positive to AMD/ATI). Do you have a CPU question for their tech crew we might be able to ask them?

MicFire999: Good post. I was hoping someone would post a question about how the 8800 is still ahead in terms of performance. You made a good point: ATI used to be good compeition for Nvdia. Competition is a good thing - us gamers don't have to pay as much for quality parts. If ATI doesn't start applying the heat to Nvidia again, we will more than likely be paying more for GPUs sometime in the near future.

Acetankkiller: Good point. Not all of us can afford the expensive PC components for gaming. It's nice to see some reasonable offerings from AMD/ATI. Nvidia has done a good job this time around offering cards at a more reasonable price, but some of their high end stuff is still really outrageous (8800 ULTRA). It looks like AMD is going the route of offering budget cards instead of competing head to head with the 8800s.

Adenn_Vod: "ati is nothing amd too" - nice to see the Nvidia / Intel fanboys stay consistent with their same-old arguements. If we didn't have AMD/ATI around, there'd be no competition. That would mean paying more for our gaming parts. Is that what you want? Oh sorry, I forgot, "ati is nothing amd too".

NedStar: Hope so too. The 2900s had a lot of problems. We should have a better idea after X-mas (once there are a large number of reviews on the cards) as to how reliable they are.

Temporal, funsocks: Instead of flaming the article, why don't you come up with a question for AMD/ATI? You may not like their products, but you could ask them what it would take for you to consider their stuff (i.e. build a card that beats the 8800 ULTRA, a quad core CPU that whoops current Intel benchmarks, etc.).

The D.O.G.

 #52 - 11-28-2007 at 16:10
drtat2
Joined: October 6th, 2007
Posts: 14
hmmmm......when is nvidoa coming out with a new card, (9800 or 8900). not that they need them. nvidia really has alot of cards to choose from.

 #53 - nahhhhhhh - 11-28-2007 at 20:44
doomsday1701
From: (lebanon, OR)
Joined: October 1st, 2007
Posts: 17
im happy with my NVidia 8500 cause i got it for only $85 at newegg.com! it runs all my games and also is like about a quarter of the price of the new radeon HDs
NVidia RULEZ!!!!!!

 #54 - 11-28-2007 at 21:03
Just_the_guy
Joined: March 22nd, 2006
Posts: 128
MicFire is spreading a lot of disinformation. The 3870 is NOT ATI's fastest card; the 2900 series is. In addition, both have been appropriately priced based on their performance compared to nvidia's offerings. They may not have the performance crown, but ATI's offerings are still quite viable based on their impressive price/performance. With that said, I own an 800gts, so I'm not an ATI fanboy. The same can be said of AMD's quad core cpu. They are priced competitively when compared to Intel's quad core line up, which, by the way, is currently also slower per clock than their dual core designs. This is due largely to a lack of quad-core optimization, but this will soon be a non issue for both AMD and Intel.

 #55 - 11-29-2007 at 06:52
Temporal
From: (Nottingham)
Joined: March 1st, 2004
Posts: 237
I didn't flame the article. I'd rather they just came out and told us straight that they were getting paid for this.

 #56 - 11-29-2007 at 08:13
mstm
Joined: August 18th, 2006
Posts: 325
Does it really matter? It's all a bloody con if you ask me. Which no-one ever will.... anyway, I don't see why AMD would pay some pokey little site network (he...he..no) for this "review" anyway, so I'm certain it's not so much an ad as opposed to merely some general information. If it is, there are far less subtle ads that run along the top of the screen anyway, why worry about this one?

 #57 - 11-29-2007 at 09:14
Hfx-Rebel (Staff)
From: (Nova Scotia)
Joined: April 19th, 2003
Posts: 765
Quote:
I didn't flame the article. I'd rather they just came out and told us straight that they were getting paid for this
Striaght up? Nobody on this Network, weather it is the File Reveiwer, Site Admin or a Network Admin gets paid! This is all strictly volunteer work!

Nobody paid anybody to have this article put here...it was a decision by me after speaking with The D.O.G., if you look around the Network, you'll see other reviews/articles and even a mod or two here as well with no compensation given to anybody for anything.

Is that clear enough for you?

 #58 - 11-29-2007 at 10:02
armageddon643
Joined: July 5th, 2007
Posts: 329
dose this meen ill have to get a new computer to play any new expansion pacs after soul storm?confused


btw those cpu's look sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetRockRock

 #59 - 11-29-2007 at 12:47
Temporal
From: (Nottingham)
Joined: March 1st, 2004
Posts: 237
Great, can't wait for the nVidia and Intel reviews then.

 #60 - 11-29-2007 at 13:35
George W Carver
From: (New Jersey)
Joined: February 2nd, 2002
Posts: 440
Two Thumbs Up! Now that AMD has bought ATI don't you think ATI is going to get improve, and thats better for gamers. As for heat build better cooling, which is something that AMD could look into manufacturing.

 #61 - 11-29-2007 at 15:39
neilX
From:
Joined: May 29th, 2003
Posts: 27
I mentioned earlier that a triple core would be better and do you what ,read the link

http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/601734/rumour-control-triple-core-amd-cpus-in-february-2008.html

 #62 - 11-29-2007 at 16:51
doomsday1701
From: (lebanon, OR)
Joined: October 1st, 2007
Posts: 17
do u think that this video card is gonna pass up the nvidia 8800?? cause if so, its alot cheaper then the 8800 and looks amazzing!

 #63 - you don't understand - 11-30-2007 at 16:40
deftond
Joined: November 22nd, 2003
Posts: 62
I still have an agp system with and atix1950 and My computer still runs games on high up until t hese dx10 games. Just without the eye candy.

The whole point of this system or a system like it, is that a regular person can afford to have a very dependable and future friendly computer, for a small portion of people that spend 5000 dollars. Of course a 500-6000 dollar computer would blow this out of the water.

Poast edited:
Flaming is against the commenting rules, and swearing, weather you omit one letter or not is still swearing....

 #64 - #14 - 12-03-2007 at 17:50
GrdAdmSenza
From:
Joined: February 1st, 2005
Posts: 668
Yay for techno babble! In any case, i have no idea what any of this stuff means lol

 #65 - WoW! - 12-06-2007 at 05:51
Falcon_uk
Joined: March 6th, 2005
Posts: 82
Go AMD!... And donuts...

 #66 - 12-10-2007 at 06:48
squalla
From: (vestfold)
Joined: April 18th, 2006
Posts: 97
LONG LIVE AMD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 #67 - @ neil - 12-12-2007 at 18:17
TheRealSceneGraphManager
From:
Joined: March 13th, 2007
Posts: 109
Yeah I saw that not long before you originally posted the link. I didn't think about up and disabling a core XD
As I said, I'm not an electrical engineer, only a software one smile

Deftond-- wait, did I read that right? You play games on high but without the eye candy? ... isn't that like an oxymoron or something? Paradox? confused

 #68 - 12-22-2007 at 04:05
BioniC_KilleR
From: (indiana)
Joined: August 18th, 2003
Posts: 21
I've always been an AMD fan. Just hope they can jump up and knock intel off their happy high horse a couple of notchesDevil!

 #69 - 01-03-2008 at 09:59
Wess212
Joined: July 26th, 2004
Posts: 119
I like ADM for there Processors, altho atm i would concider going for Intel.
AMD still has some time to convince me, but Intel looks so much sweeter atm.
ATI on the other hand just is not an option, Nvidia forever Rock



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