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  What do you think of our Network. - Network News
  Posted by: GOODY on 11-09-2009 @ 04:33 - Source: FileFront
This News Item has been viewed 214,693 times
We are always looking for feedback from members and staff about the service we provide here on the Network. Sometimes this feedback is given in some very strange places instead of direct to us and as a result is either missed completely or mistaken for bitching at something else. To combat that we are opening the floor upto everyone to say what they think about the Network both good and bad.
This is a Network wide post so if you do wish to discuss a specific site then say which site you are referring to.
This will remain open for 1 week and at the end of that week a select few will be invited into our Vent server to discuss it further. This will give direct access to the NA's along with our managers who will be there to answer questions. This may then be recorded and made available to download.

As with any debate on this scale there are rules. These rules must be observed or your post will be deleted and in extreme cases you may be banned for the duration of the debate.
The rules
1) Observe all standard Network rules.
2) Be concise in your posts. Simply saying something sucks or I agree is not going to have your opinion noticed.
3) Post as much info as you can to put your point across and if possible include a example.
4) Be polite to other members even if you do not agree with them.
5) Be patient when waiting for a reply if you ask a question. We don't have all the answers but we will do our best to find them for you.



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Total comments: 132 | Last comment: 11-13-2009 at 07:10

 #1 - 11-09-2009 at 05:14
Victoria G (Staff)
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Joined: March 2nd, 2007
Posts: 349
Somebody has rated this post 1 right off the bat and that's a perfect example of a change you could make to the network, remove the ability for users to rate content anonymously. In my opinion you should be required to login and comment when rating anything. The current system is actually deterring modders submitting their work to Filefront.

 #2 - 11-09-2009 at 05:28
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
I think the networks are a good innovation, but they suck in the fact they DO NOT WORK.

I'd like to rate anything I want, without errors.

I want to upload files without it failing or not receiving my submission.

I want to download without errors or failed mirrors.

I want to vote on polls

I want to upload PODT's and have them fairly voted on, instead of people being unable to vote.

You need change.

The link above goes to a thread about the levels of traffic filefront receives. Its dropping. A working site would certainly raise that. I'm fed up the errors and so are all the other users. If the networks aren't resolved, you are the ones with an unused and ignored site.

Edit. link removed. Discuss it here as it is about the network.

 #3 - 11-09-2009 at 05:44
PSIN
From: (Indiana)
Joined: June 21st, 2007
Posts: 164
Way worse than a year ago. Voting is broken, Updates are rare, and that bar at the bottom of the screen screws up my browser. I've pretty much stopped coming here because of the trifecta.

 #4 - 11-09-2009 at 05:55
heydabop
Joined: April 14th, 2008
Posts: 291
I agree with what all has been said already. And I'd like to add that the random spam comments that sometimes fill one's comment box need to be fixed also.

 #5 - 11-09-2009 at 06:44
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
The upload and download system works just fine. There is only 1 issue with the sites and that is voting.
The bar at the bottom is a advert and we rely on advertising to keep the sites up. You can easily install a ad blocker.
The random spam in the comments is a result of the same issue with the voting and once the voting is fixed then that will also disapear.

 #6 - 11-09-2009 at 07:02
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
Filefront is not doomed. With the appropriate fixes and repairs, this site can be successful. Part of the demise is down to the XBOX 360 and PS3 being released. Perhaps if the site was more interactive with those consoles, aswell as just PC, we'd be a bit more active?

Perhaps some improvements to the site could be:
new layouts? (the current network ones are a bit dated. a few tweaks at a time should liven it up. that, and the coliurs are a bit dreary, but thats not to say 'use luminescent colours', since that'd be overkill.

chat area? teamtalk has proven successful on other sites. maybe an area parallel to the forums?

working voting system requiring login. kill the 1's once and for all.

improved home page. http://www.filefront.com uses a very narrow layout with ads in the verical borders. maybe a full page layout with a hierarchial system would be better. eg. biggest news posts are the biggest, and maybe alternating themes (like backgrounds to match game releases)
and a menu on the homepage. if people want access to the networks or forums, it should be clearer.

The networks are harder to find. because its difficult to link to them from the filefront homepage, people have to rely on google or random links to get to them... with more alternate sites offering similar services, the networks should be easier to gain access to.

get the insider going again! its a chance to inter-link networks and get the community more involved.

keep up with the games. I know there have been changes, but there are networks and forums for Left for Dead 2, skipping L4D 1. Perhaps the name 'Left 4 Dead' Series would be better suited. Similarly with Halo, GTA (since GTA IV is now on PC) and Armada.

Dont delete unused networks. Leave them dormant.... Black and White 2 had some files people may want, its shooting yourself in the foot removing them, unless you need to free up server space.

Do some market research. What do other sites have that we don't? No harm in getting 'inspiration' from another's unique features, is there?

 #7 - 11-09-2009 at 07:16
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
We have already stated that the layout of the sites is being worked on along with a better back end for staff.

Chat area ? not sure what you mean there. Are your talking about a chat box ?

The home page has a great big button for the forums and one for the Network. The network button displays all the network sites when you roll over it.

The Network insider will be making a return.

New game sites have been added, As you mentioned L4D2 and 1 is missing well this is not true. Look at the top drop down site list. L4D 1 and 2 are listed. The Right menu is being worked on as part of the upgrades to the sites so it will take a short while for it to reflect there.

Old sites are not deleted or neglected. When a site is closed new content can still be added. They are never really closed they have simply reached a point were they do not need dedicated staff. The NA's will add any submitted content to them.

The reason for this is to gain opinions and suggestions for the very people that visit us. However as I suspected every one is simply going to focus on the negetives. We ofcourse do want to hear the down sides but also saying what we are also doing right is good as well so those things can be built on.

 #8 - 11-09-2009 at 07:17
PSIN
From: (Indiana)
Joined: June 21st, 2007
Posts: 164
Ah, I missed that part in the second paragraph where it said this was a debate. I thought this post was because you guys were still trying to troubleshoot the system after the move. I wasted my time by replying.

 #9 - 11-09-2009 at 07:30
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
You didn't waste your time wink We do still want to know what is broken or bad so it can be discussed and concerns answered.
Fluxx's second post is a good example of what we are looking for as sometimes it is the smallest things that can make the biggest difference so don't be shy and get involved.
If you use these sites then you have a vested interest and it is your opinions that we want to hear.

 #10 - 11-09-2009 at 07:35
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
@GOODY: 7

I know I may comment on this allot, and as you said in the forums, I have spoken out about the situation perhaps too much. However, filefront is a good site and to get where it is now is remarkable. It has looked into the face of death once before and escaped it.

My comments on the networks such as Black and White 2 and L4D were based on the list of networks on the right hand column, though yes, they are still present in the drop down menu.

My thoughs on the chat area was as you interpreted. Some websites have areas hosted by an external sourse where members can chat about relevant information. Some do not even require a form of log in.

I wasnt aware there were re-design plans.

However, my thoughts on the homepage are the same. Whilst there is a button for the forums, the first place people look for the link is a menu bar, be it at the top or along the site. The button's colour theme makes it blend in more with other similar features making it harder to spot quickly. Similarly with the networks. Rather than having a small drop down menu in the top right corner, it could also sit nicely in a menu.

Hoepfully, you will look at these points im making as things to consider, rather than critique.

 #11 - 11-09-2009 at 07:46
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
Well we have a vent server for people to join and chat and it has all the relevent channels for the games. If people do want a text based chat area then that is something to consider. However judging from how the game specific forum activity has dropped we would probably look to increase there interaction with these sites first.

I don't know what site your posting from but some sites already have the updated right menu inplace. Look at the L4D site as it has the game portals listed and the Archived sites. This is being done for all sites so it should show up soon for you.

I will pass on your concerns about the main site but that site is not within our control.

All things posted here will be considered and discussed. If something posted here can be answered straight away then we will do that. wink

 #12 - 11-09-2009 at 08:00
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
Ahh I see. Well I may aswell say this aswell. For the main site, it'd be good to utilise the upload facility. I khave known people who do not use the forum or networks to store files and music in their own space, and that feature could be exploited. Filefront could be considered a big file storage site along with speedyshare, mediafire or 4shared.

As for the networks, I think I'm done smile Thanks for reading and being reasonable.

 #13 - Not so many good things - 11-09-2009 at 08:16
Dark_Diablos
Joined: April 17th, 2006
Posts: 965
Firstly, I'm definitely sure the download speed/rate has got worse. I go to another filehosting website and I download things much quicker. Not good, obviously. Secondly, slightly annoyed that personal files you host (not publicly posted on specific websites such as jk3files.com for example) can disappear. I did have some good download links favourited which I wanted to get around to downloading, but as FF has decided to start deleting peoples files because they might be 'slightly' inactive for a while, they're gone. I miss the old days when links to files were still there even after a year or so.

Hmm...

 #14 - 11-09-2009 at 08:19
Authuran
From: (Narnia)
Joined: September 26th, 2005
Posts: 501
Quote:
Part of the demise is down to the XBOX 360 and PS3 being released.

Sort of agree with this, everyone has a console now and plays on it, PC Gaming is just not as big as it used to be.

 #15 - 11-09-2009 at 08:35
FahreS
Joined: February 24th, 2006
Posts: 350
I miss the direct download. You know, when you hit the download link you have to go through a couple of pages now.
And yeah, id like a working poll, and i want that you can only vote if you write a comment.
Also the design is quite old, actually it was old some years ago, i do just wait for seeing rust.
But generally i really like this place, especially a2 files, because they have a good colouring instead of gta files...

 #16 - 11-09-2009 at 09:23
Luke20 (Staff)
From: (Southampton)
Joined: January 11th, 2004
Posts: 753
I think the main issue people want fixed are the polls / voting problem. It has seriously gone on too long now. frown

 #17 - 11-09-2009 at 09:36
ShinDangaioh
Joined: February 5th, 2009
Posts: 25
I don't know why, but when I go to http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/ after a few seconds(like three) I am getting shunted to http://www.filefront.com/

It is getting really annoying.

 #18 - Aargh! - 11-09-2009 at 09:45
dprjones
Joined: July 16th, 2009
Posts: 5
Flat out frustrating, and don't like all the tracking cookies either.

 #19 - 11-09-2009 at 09:52
KrrKs
From: (Hessen)
Joined: October 14th, 2007
Posts: 126
I can't agree with Dark Diablo about the Downloads. Since FF is hosted by the new/ old Owner DL Speed has slightly increased for me and Downloads are a LOT more stable than before (at least for me, so that doesn't seem to be global).

And I'm with FahreS about the Direct Download. It get's a bit anerving when you want to DL a couple of things and always have to click through 2 or three sites to the FF Download page and the backward to the Gaming site.

For the one Voter thing ( when Voting is operational again) I think something like a Pop Up Message to the Corresponding User after voting 1/10 X times in a row. Would be sufficent to prevent most People from stupid one - voting.

 #20 - 11-09-2009 at 09:54
The_Farseer
From: (Kent WA)
Joined: August 28th, 2007
Posts: 1258
I've been coming to Empire at War Files for years and have never had any major problems with that site. I've also visited many of the other game sites and have found them to be just as useful as the one I frequent most. For the most part, the sites are easy to navigate and understand and the admins do a decent job of keeping things clean and under control. I have no major issues with any of the FF Network sites.

*There are a few things I would like to see though. First and foremost, I would like to see better compatibility with Firefox. When in Firefox, files will not properly upload (does not including PotD's) and I ALWAYS have to switch back to IE in order to upload anything. I understand that most people use IE but this would be a nice fix for those that don't.

*Advertising. I completely understand that without it, these sites would not exist. That's fine. I'm willing to browse around a few adds to keep this site up. However, the full page adds that pop up at random are beyond annoying! I don't mind the little banner bars at the bottom of the page but those full page adds just kill me.

*As Fahre S stated, I also miss the direct downloading. I hate having to jump through hoops to get what I want. I also do not like the fact that once I click the download button, the site will give me the download box but the main browser redirects to a sponsor's site. Don't take me to websites that I don't choose to go to! Advertising is one thing but surfing the web for me is just annoying and can be dangerous as far as maleware goes. Any site can become infected and I don't want to be thrown just anywhere on the whole interwebz.

*I won't talk about how voting is still broken...I understand the issues here and am remaining patient... However, voting (when fixed) needs to be tweaked. I liked the idea that was brought up of requiring users to actually sign in to vote. This will keep guest users from downvoting and will also fix an exploit that allowed users to vote multiple times by simply clearing their browser's cash and waiting about 5 minutes (or by simply voting as a guest user on a different computer). The "Sorry, you've already voted" should be tied to user accounts....not IP's.

*I really think that commenting on specific files needs to be improved. The way it is now is simple and effective (and I do like that you can just do a temp. sign in to quick-reply) but there are several ways that it can be improved. The main thing I would like to see is and Edit function. Thus far, the only people capable of editing a post are Admins. It would be very nice to be able to correct or add something should we so choose. I would also like to see a function that allowed users to delete their own posts whenever they want. Lastly, a function that gave users the ability to quote other posts would be very nice! File commenting just needs a more 'forum-like' approach.

That's it for the time being. I do like the FF sites a lot. In fact, aside from a rare trip to Moddb, they are the only modding sites that I download from.

 #21 - 11-09-2009 at 10:03
Lagomorphia
Joined: May 27th, 2009
Posts: 9
The tracking cookiees wind me up, I've got a rootkit through here before, and all because of the blasted advertising. The adverts attack my computer. Not to mention costantly closing the MMO banners that pop up at the bottom the screen. Advertise something reputable. Not disgusting websites and ways to break the law.

It's Warb_nulls models and the occasional Battlefront map that keep me here.

 #22 - 11-09-2009 at 10:24
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
# 17
I will look into that but as far as I know that should not happen.

# 20
I am not sure about this but there should be no full page ads on here at all. I will speak the my boss who will know. In the mean time if you get one again can you take a screen shot and email it to me at ian@filefront.com so we can block such ads if they are not supposed to be there.

As for more features in commenting you raised some good ideas and we will certainly see what our tech guys can come up with.

# 21 I will make sure my manager is made aware of your comment. We do have to use adverts and we do use a outside ad provider so maybe he can work to clean them up.

 #23 - 11-09-2009 at 10:33
Henze
From:
Joined: June 26th, 2005
Posts: 625
well, i think that it's great that such community as this survived....but really..i still don't see why many of the site functions suddenly started to fail....and they still do....

I would say: first fixup those failures..could be done in a couple of weeks, including testing etcetera
second: start fixing op the html code to current standards and/or start upgrading the layout of the gamesites (game.filefront.com) to a more web 2.0 idea

for the rest: keep up the good thing of gaming community !!

 #24 - not all bad - 11-09-2009 at 10:56
aphexjh
From: (Chicago, il)
Joined: March 5th, 2004
Posts: 220
the upload system works and thats good. The potd are regularly updated, thats good. Schematically the themes are sorta plain, but i think thats okay.
the long lists of links/buttons on the left and right sides of the screen are not helpful. they are well organized, difficult to navigate. You might consider drop-down menus for the different sections, or something. Uploaded content is sometimes hard to find, possibly as a result of redundant folders. Such as: "mod" and "modification" folders, surely we don't need both.
although i would have to say that filefront is pretty awesome, keep up the good work.

 #25 - my two cents... - 11-09-2009 at 10:58
Aerilon
From: (Gloucestershire)
Joined: May 4th, 2009
Posts: 49
I'd have thought this would have been easier done on the forums to be honest, easier to quote other people, and generally easier to get around, but there isn't a huge setback by having it here.

I've been around a while, and I suppose the first problem I'd have to lay out, is the network sites layout. In all my time, there have only ever been two, an older type, and this new one. Isn't it about time these got updated? it wouldn't hurt to widen the borders either, I don't know what they're on now (800pixels wide)? But there seems to be plenty of room for expansion.

I think though, before anything gets changed, edited, or whatever, that all the network bugs be sorted out. We've been told that you guys are working on it, but we've had some problems now (such as the voting error) for a very long time.

There was also mention some time ago, of introducing a scheme, of which connected the network username, to the filefront main username, and the username we each use on the forums. Instead of having (essentially) three accounts, it would all be covered in one. Whatever happened to this?

Thats all I can think of for now, though I think they're the most problematic points.

 #26 - PoTD - 11-09-2009 at 11:00
Aerilon
From: (Gloucestershire)
Joined: May 4th, 2009
Posts: 49
missed another point, more of a suggestion really, but at the moment, the PoTD system requires someone to 'validate' a picture every 22hrs or something, right? Could there not be some code that randomly selects the PoTD from the unique network-site choices?

 #27 - Advertising - 11-09-2009 at 11:03
Aerilon
From: (Gloucestershire)
Joined: May 4th, 2009
Posts: 49
A final point (I keep thinking of things after I've hit the submit button), but advertising, that isn't those advertisements on our pages, but rather, FileFront advertising itself.

When I joined, there was a huge community, both on the network sites, and on the forums. There doesn't seem to be as many these days. The network sites (at least, those I visit) are quieter, and the forums have definitely dried up.

I figure if FileFront were to advertise a little more (not necessarily just to gamers) we could increase the community? FileFront doesn't have to stand for games, it could be interlinked with media too, movies, tv shows, music etc.. Think of the boost the forums would get, if nothing else.

 #28 - 11-09-2009 at 11:20
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
I think Voting is working again! Thanks!

 #29 - 11-09-2009 at 11:35
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
#24 and #25 as I have said before in these comments that the layout is being worked on wink

#25 there is only 1 bug that is effecting the all the voting and it is down to how the servers communicate with each other. We do not have access to fix this as staff only the owner has that access and is being harrassed about it. (again i have said this in here already)

#26 that will never happen. The PotD has to be validated by a human to make sure that the picture is appropriate.

#27 the best advertisement is word of mouth with the many gaming communities. We do not charge to upload or download or even offer a subscription option so we remain absolutely free of charge. I cannot think of any other site that can say that tbh.

#28 Sorry it is still broken.

 #30 - 11-09-2009 at 11:39
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
yeah just noticed. must have been lucky when one worked...

 #31 - First line for #20 #22 - 11-09-2009 at 11:54
MatmanDude
Joined: November 7th, 2007
Posts: 1114
If it helps GOODY... I noticed that the full page ads are almost always for that roleplaying game BioWare's putting out (Dragon Age) or the Kia Soul.

__________________________________________________________________

Okay time for me to speak my mind.

Archived Sites: What were you thinking? I think that there was no reason for that whatsoever. All it did was take sites that already had only a few active members and made them have none. Sure there were a few that needed to go. GRAW files was done for (unfortunately), The Movies was also pretty much done, many were closed or completely empty (such as Act of War or Breed files), and the duplicate links that take you to the same files. But my question is... why Stargate Worlds files, and why Gears of War files, etc. They still had some members posting new things regularly and visiting (well admittedly GoW was losing comments). All that's doing is making already slow sites even slower. And it's not like it's saving you guys anything by doing it. My advice in that area would be to take down duplicate links and closed sites but leave the rest.

Advertising: This has become a real pain. As others have said the full page pop ups and the little ones at the bottom of the page are getting very annoying. I think we'd all appreciate that getting under control.

Glitches: For the past 3 months or so if I'm correct we've been hearing... "We're working on it. We don't have as many employees or volunteers so you have to be patient." We've been patient for a long time now. When can we expect some progress on your promises? I don't mean to sound rude (because I'm am not trying to be rude) but it isn't good to constantly be saying that you're going to fix something and then just leaving it lie for the rest of time. Please fix the voting system at least. That's the most prominent problem by far.

Hackers: Here's something I've noticed and I know some other members (perhaps you admins have too). On a rare occasion when I go to make a comment... the box and the subject line are already filled with a whole bunch of ads and links to very ominous sounding sites. I also notice that it tries to log in a different user name and password (but can't because I stay logged in). This is very, very bad and needs to be addressed immediately I think.
____________________________________________________________________



Okay that was me addressing the areas where I have a beef with this site. Now for my recommendations.


One thing you might consider is trying to add some new features that might help to attract people to the sites. For example (off the top of my head) maybe add Pic of the Month to every site.

One thing I read in someone else's comment was that maybe Filefront shouldn't just be all about video games. That's not a bad idea. Having sections for big hit movies (E.G. Starwars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, 300, etc.) T.V. Shows (Stargate, Burn Notice, Royal Pains, psych, Robot Chicken, etc) and music (Rock, Pop, Rap, Country, Classical) would be pretty awesome.

Another small improvement would be the ability to edit one's comment (similar to Moddb). Just a thought.

Another Moddb like addition that would be good is working member pages and Avatars. Along with special pages for admins and developers.

_______________________________________________________________________


Well that's all I can think of right now. I hope some of this helps you guys out. Thanks for trying so hard to create the best site possible and for keeping it alive as well as you can. Many people complain a lot but I think we all really do appreciate the work that you do. Many of you only working with your spare time. I salute you. (Hmm a salute smiley would be nice)


Pimp!Two Thumbs Up!Frogga!

 #32 - new ads suck - 11-09-2009 at 12:03
katanamaru
From: (Spring Tx)
Joined: September 1st, 2006
Posts: 54
I really like this network. Having mod sites linked to forums is great.

I do have to say that the new ads that come up from the bottom suck though. They slow down the page loading and are a hinderance when I go download a file.

 #33 - @31 - 11-09-2009 at 12:20
Metall_pingwin
From:
Joined: April 27th, 2005
Posts: 459
1) Advertising: As much as we all hate it - has to stay on. There is no way around it unless the network starts to magically bring in money from other sources. Servers costs have to be paid, period.

2) Glitches: the only reason "we're working on it" was the official word is because it's true. Nobody's going to go out of their way to prove it - so you'll just have to take our word for it. It's not like we WANT for the voting system to be broken. And it certainly isn't because nobody cares about the network anymore.

In fact, many errors HAVE been fixed. The file upload system is working perfectly now, the menu is being worked on as we speak and a plethora glitches related to launching new network sites have also been taken care of. Some problems take longer to sort than others, but you can't say they're all being ignored.

3) Hackers: These aren't hackers - they're glitches. And uh... They're probably being worked on. stick out tongue

 #34 - 11-09-2009 at 12:31
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
# 31
The sites are archived as there is simply no content being submitted. They are never closed and new content can still be added. They just do not have any assigned staff.

The voting bug (as we have come to call it) is responsible for all the issues we are having atm including what you called a hack. It is not a hack it is random old deleted posts that are for some reason being added to posts. We know what is causing it and as I have said before that we DO NOT have access to fix it. The only person who does is being harrassed about it. There is nothing the volunteer staff can do about that except complain just as you are.

As for adding movies, music and tv. That will never happen as we take copyright seriously.

Ok guys we hear you on the adverts and it will be passed on.
Please take the time to see what has been said in previous posts as we are getting alot of the same. However you are providing some great ideas and a good insight as to what you want to see and what you don't So keep it coming big grin

 #35 - 11-09-2009 at 12:45
AlDaja
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Posts: 438
...still waiting for my mod to uploaded. http://www.pushupstairs.com/images/emoticon/extra1/1286.gif

 #36 - 11-09-2009 at 12:49
Blamtroid
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Posts: 146
It's really good, but the voting REALLY needs to be fixed, for the PotD's and the Polls.

 #37 - 11-09-2009 at 12:53
GOODY (Staff)
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Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
#35 be specific or I will delete your post. As I said in the actualt news item say what site. I am not a mind reader and I am not searching every site we have because you can't be bothered to read the actual news item.

# 36 I just said read the other posts. We know about the voting and it has been mentioned here a few times.

Read the comments.

 #38 - 11-09-2009 at 12:56
starfox1701
From: (newberry S.C.)
Joined: December 12th, 2007
Posts: 525
First off let me say I am thankful that Filefront is still here after everything. I mod mainly A@ but I visit Armada files, SIns of a Solar Empire, Bridge Commander, Legacy, Starfleet Command, Dawn of War, and Empire at War files, Over all Things that need fixed is The polls, POD, and Direct downloads, Also while I understand the need for ads They are becomming more invasive and that detracts from the positive experiance of visiting the site. Also their appears to still be a problem with some of the adds tring to install spyware and other more nafferius criters at times. I understand that handling IT for a netwrok this size can be time consuming I don't understand why we don't at least have any updates as to what being done to fix the longer trem problems like the pols and PODs. It kinda makes you feel like the administration has forgoten about them. Might I sugest that you post a link to a page that has the repairs to do list on it and that as things get fixed that page gets updated. While that might not stop all the complaing it would show everyone without direct knowledge of the scope of the problem just how big it is and what progress is being made. and let me reinterate the most important thing ads good, they help keep the site up for us to use. Invasive ads BAD. They slow things down, tick people off and generally fusterate the whole experiance. A good ad will draw peoples attention. It shouldn't have to literally jump in my face to do it. Overall if I f I had to rate the network proformance I would say 8.5 out of 10. -1 for the persistant bugs and -.5 for the communication disconect that hasn't been letting me, your coustomer, know enough about whats going on to fix it.

 #39 - 11-09-2009 at 13:24
Corusca_Fire
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Joined: February 17th, 2009
Posts: 128
Im just going to this put out there for all you people who are complaining that your files arent being uploaded.

I have loaded about 6 or 7 files to EAW files. All have been uploaded promptly (within 6 days) except for two which havent shown up yet (but were submitted only 2 days ago, so they are still within this 6day period).

If your files arent being uploaded, it is probably your fault. Make sure you follow the instructions EXACTLY. Dont use .rar, use .zip. Dont submit files not in compression format. Provide all the required information. Dont break any laws.

 #40 - SWBFII files only - 11-09-2009 at 13:44
smdautoturret
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Joined: August 7th, 2009
Posts: 23
THIS IS FOR SWBFII FILES ONLY!!!!! There are a number of things I would like to say:
2 Mav, Xavious and Delta 47, and all those other staff. You should NOT accept really bad maps (newbie maps) AT ALL! Beggining modders should make maps, but dont publish their first ones. Also, If your making an epic map/mod, WORK ON IT!!! make time, because we all like to see more good stuff debuing. make your map creative. Staff should look at files more as well. It would be nice to have more staff for SWBFII files (to review files). If the new staff do bad, you can kick em. TO ENTIRE NETWORK:
make download rate faster PLEASE!!!

 #41 - 11-09-2009 at 13:46
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
@39, .zip... maybe thats why i had such little success... I've always used RAR...

Would that stop the upload or just ,make it awkward. I've uploaded the file, entered the description and added the images, but the file wont process or join the file queue...

 #42 - Developer Files - 11-09-2009 at 14:11
Aerilon
From: (Gloucestershire)
Joined: May 4th, 2009
Posts: 49
Another 'suggestion', but when we view a file, on the right hand side, there are two small menu's. One reads 'related files', and the other 'other files by namegoeshere'. Is it possible to have them randomised, so that it doesn't just show the latest files?

 #43 - 11-09-2009 at 14:18
MileHighGuy
Joined: October 19th, 2008
Posts: 81
I have seen some ads on this website with some suggestive themes (the evony game ad) and i do not think they are appropriate because this site is used by kids who dont need to see that.

 #44 - Ads switching pages - 11-09-2009 at 14:21
MuchTooLearnUSH
Joined: January 3rd, 2008
Posts: 434
When I click on this Web page, I'm frequently re-directed to some advertisements. This is quite annoying and if if continues, I'll probably commune elsewhere...

otherwise, I enjoy this site.

 #45 - 11-09-2009 at 15:21
GOODY (Staff)
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Posts: 1000
# 40 All developers start somewere and have every right to have there work published even if it is just for feedback and pointers. You do not have to download it. So no that will not change.

#41 try uploading it again and alter the file name by adding a 1 or something. Email me directly when you have done it and let me know what site. ian@filefront.com

#42 Those are not going to change because it keep people upto date and shows files by the same developer.

#43 and #44 as stated I will be passing on peoples concerns over the ads

 #46 - 11-09-2009 at 15:49
swet
From: (Rotterdam)
Joined: December 21st, 2005
Posts: 199
I agree with #43 and #44 ... those advertisements get abit annoying sometimes..but i have an ad/popup blocker wich takes care of most of the adds...
I never have ans never will respond to any of them...

As for the site.. its great.. and has been and will be for years to come (I hope)

I dont know of any other site that has that a big community for help/support/downloads and other stuff..

There was a bit of a backfall after the take over,but lately it seems that all is getting back to normal... big up for the filefront staff

KEEP IT UP

 #47 - 11-09-2009 at 16:16
pvtherman
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Joined: August 22nd, 2007
Posts: 474
Well actually I have nothing to feedback about, Just wondering about how files are posted. What I mean by that is the post rate. There's no bugs in the system that are preventing files from modders being posted on filefront correct? Just the buggy voting system (which I don't mind). I still rely on this server for mainsteam cod mods.

 #48 - The POTD - 11-09-2009 at 16:48
I_Jedi
Joined: March 12th, 2009
Posts: 37
I would like a search function for the POTD. That way, we can search for our favorite POTD pictures instead of looking through the entire POTD archive.

 #49 - 11-09-2009 at 18:58
Nod71
From: (peg city)
Joined: January 13th, 2008
Posts: 164
i think this place is perfect the way it is ^^

 #50 - 11-09-2009 at 19:14
brok
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Joined: November 3rd, 2002
Posts: 1355
I'm coming from Battlefield Files but this probably applies to many other sites as well:

The good is that files are still being uploaded and remaining available. That's the core of the site and if that didn't work the whole thing would collapse.

The bad:

Voting- it's the most glaring error at the moment. I know the volunteer staff can't fix it themselves but until the person who actually can has enough pressure put on them to fix it, the very idea of having polls is just ridiculous.

Also the news archive is very impractical. All you can do is trawl through them month by month. You need news headlines to come up in searches so we don't have to find things by trial and error.

Personally I'd like it if 24 hours after a POTD goes up, if it has not been replaced, a custom made image declaring 'POTD OVERDUE' replaces it, prompting the site staff to be a bit more vigilant in keeping POTDs from becoming POTMs.

A post history on view profile pages would be fantastic.

I also think #42 has a great idea: the randomising of the 'other files by X' list. Quite often when you discover a talented file poster you want to explore their work, but the way it is now, you always get the 5 most recent results, forcing you to search for the uploader if you want to go further back. Randomising it brings more variety and piques more interest in a visitor.

-Oh, and by the way- searching an uploader does not work either, so unless you're a clairvoyant and also know the file name, you're TOTALLY screwed. Randomising it is the way to go, team. Do it for the related files too while you're at it. Think of the 'suggested titles' at the bottom of IMDB movie pages and it's not hard to see how it will increase traffic and downloads on the site.

And knock off the April fools pranks- we all see it coming a mile away and usually the first comments debunk it anyway. Resources could be much better spent elsewhere.

 #51 - 11-09-2009 at 19:53
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
1) Observe all standard Network rules. <- This is unclear to me in meaning.

I agree with:
#1
#2 NOTE: Voting fair, that's a thing, how about changing the vote descriptions from insulting to descriptive?
Please kill me.../One word.../eat my shorts!/I'm getting sea sick!/I've seen better!
All these are really offensive!!! You do subconscious think the sentence when you read the number on your file or POTD.
When ever you did ask your self why ppl get upset with low rating, this might be one of the possible answers.
Our society is getting more and more empathic this makes us also faster offended, and this Voting is something that bothers me since quite a while. As it may fit to a Unreal Tournament site, it is completely inappropriate for a Star Trek site.
#3
#4
#13
#15
#16
#18
#20 -> Voting
#25 -> Forums
#26
#48

I also introduced a concept to promote the Mods better, yesterday I deleted that file because I was giving up hope on filefront to make any change soon.

A Example for the Mods issue: For Elite Force II there are 5 Mods which are in good quality and should be promoted further.
For me as developer who is involved at two of these Mods it is so frustrating when you learn about ppl which never heard about your Mod. And you have done everything possible to promote your Mod without being unfair to others.
3 of this Mods have been more than two years in devolopment, and they are handled the same way as a five-minute-creativity-phase quickie-file...
...this is also a reason why I went to moddb, it feels like my files are more worth there, at least they are presented better.

I would like to have more support for developers of huge Projects (not only Mods), Interviews, Promotion Section on the site or a Mod profile listing.
I think the last two would be the most effective.
Don't tell me that each Mod shall have a own website to which is linked, not every team can afford that and it wouldn't make your site more the place at which ppl find what they came looking for.

 #52 - 11-09-2009 at 20:08
Metall_pingwin
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Joined: April 27th, 2005
Posts: 459
I do agree. I wish we had a way of clearly pointing people at really big releases.The best we can do now is stick it as FOTW and keep in on featured for a while, but it's certainly no big shiny arrow.

 #53 - 11-09-2009 at 20:46
jzmoney
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Joined: June 29th, 2004
Posts: 321
I won't repeat common complaints.

Suggestions:
Perhaps disable voting altogether until it is fixed? This way no one will be bothered by 1s. Personally, I rely on staff reviews, comments, and screenshots when downloading, not so much rating.

Promote the filefront network on other popular sites (facebook, twitter, myspace, whatever other sites people visit everyday) with filefront ads or apps (that's the new thing in advertisement these days).

Yes, make comment sections like mini-forums with edit buttons etc.

Membership could come with a profile page listing and linking all files and potds that user submitted (like a mod developer page, but reworked), an avatar, things like that. Just something that is more streamlined. When a user writes a comment, you can click on his/her name and be directed to his/her page. I guess what I'm saying, is a more integrated approach to the whole network.
Also, look at the most popular sites on the internet and make a list of what makes them so popular. Google's search, Facebook's social networking, Twitter's updates, etc. Surely there are some good ideas out there. I don't go to a lot of sites, so I don't know what's all out there. /End Suggestions

I am not the most active person on here and I only visit effiles.com but I have not seen any negatives in performance or updating or operation or whatever. Everything seems to run pretty much as it did a year ago. I like that this site has such a huge database of game files, even old games. There is room for improvements. Some great ones have been listed already.

 #54 - 11-09-2009 at 21:28
Michael_Mikes
From: (Brisbane, QLD)
Joined: October 31st, 2008
Posts: 831
There are quite a large number of things which should be fixed like the POTD and the voting.
Though I'd pretty much go with brok's idea to fixing up the network.

 #55 - 11-09-2009 at 21:45
_Nameless_one_
From: (Melbourne)
Joined: April 6th, 2008
Posts: 302
You say you're going to change the layout of the site. This is one of the main complaints I had, so this is good. When you are changing it, keep in mind that accessing the forums can be a bit tedious. I know they are only a few scrolls away, but I often have to search the sidebar for a while to find them. Maybe make them a bit more noticeable? (Unless I'm the only one, and it's just my own incompetence that is the problem.)

 #56 - 11-10-2009 at 00:49
tjoz
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Joined: June 27th, 2007
Posts: 311
My issues with FileFront network sites... I use to be apart of Legacy Files and recently BC Files. Before everything went to *****, the sites did what they did. Provide downloads for people/modders.

Biggest issues since FileFront almost packed up was responsibility. Very few would own up to responsibility and throw any responsibility on people who no longer are associated with the network. The constant 'were working on it' on just about every aspect of the network sites was getting played out and making the current staff look like they were passing the buck trying to get out of any responsibility. Instead of coming out and showing progress, the answer everyone would get when questioning any part of the network sites (voting, uploading, the POTD's etc) would be 'we are working on it'. For a modding community network were countless mods continuously show their progress with the mods we make, the network staff would not show the same level of professionalism in informing the site users. Put it on the other foot, what if all of us modders turned around to people who ask us about when our next releases are coming and what we are working on and we just say 'well you know what, we are working on it'... I for one would soon get *****ed off and walk away from it all.

Another issue I have is the individual site staff themselves. Ive seen some try and put an effort into getting people to be more open and participate more yet when things went to *****, so did many of the staff's ability in keeping their own network site visitors coming back. Some of your network staff need to learn how to keep communities active. Bull***** polls arent going to encourage anything. The staff that I know of are too scared to break the mold and try anything new or try anything that can support a debate. There just little to no initiative anymore.

A issue that is more Legacy Files specific than most other network sites is equal representation of the people within that modding community (whats left of it...). The site no longer has equal representation of its community. Its heavily biased as a mod team within that community now has a monoply over that entire site. Previous staff members of that site did a pretty good job at getting a fair representation of all mods, big and small. Now its all at the hands of a mod team. A mod team can decide what the community sees and act accordingly to take away a fair opportunity. For them to say Legacy Files is a fair place for a community is complete and utter bull*****. One major mod is banned from releasing there, another major mod walked out and refuses to release future material to the site. New modders release for the first time and get no encouragement to keep up their modding... This is not about personal issues with the staff, its about being fair to all of the community.

Yes I do have issues with certain staff that I have spoke to other network staff about but the biggest issues I have with Filefront will be responsibility, staff initiative and fairness.

 #57 - 11-10-2009 at 01:00
Darth_Postal
From: (Kharkov)
Joined: May 2nd, 2006
Posts: 178
I LOVE THIS NETWORK!
It's the best source for mods ever.Rock

 #58 - 11-10-2009 at 02:41
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
# 47 that is correct there is nothing proventing files being uploaded and it is just the voting system that is broken

# 50 clicking the developers name will bring up all the files they have added to all sites.
So making devs and news items easier to search. Ok that has been noted.
For the last time It was NOT a April fools prank. We were taken down and very nearly shut down for good.

# 51 The normal site rules that are posted just above were you make a comment that is what that means. Simple really.
As for promoting mods, While we do push mods, maps and so on via the file of the week and featured files we can not show favourtism. However as a modder there are things that you can do yourself. Submit a news item and make it well, Add pictures and if possible a youtube video to show the mod in action. The description that goes with your work is about the file itself were as a news item can be more indepth and show specifics along with advertising a mod team server for testing and so on. You could also speak to the site staff and request a interview to be done with the mod team. You can sent the file info to the network insider and if it is a really big mod then ask that it be suggested to news.filefront.com
So you can see the tools are there already if you are prepared to make the effort.

# 53 Filefront has a facebook and twitter page. See the forums for details.

# 55 the forums should be in every affiliates section with a nice link button so there is no need to scroll all the way down. Also if you do visit the forums why not simply bookmark them wink

# 56 first bad language is a no no
If what your saying is true then you need to email me directly with proof and I will be more than happy to look into it as what you described is not good and should not happen here. These sites should not be biased in anyway and all files that do not break any copyright laws or our rules should be posted and treated equally.
As for the staff not stepping up and simply saying "we are working on it" well in some cases that is all they can say as they do not have the access to see how fixes are progressing. For network wide issues I myself have been keeping everyone updated as to what is broken and when it has been fixed. (just look back at the network news items)
As for staff initiatives, Again staff are encouraged to try new things. Things like the PotM is staff designed template that requires a lot of work eveymonth for the staff that use it.
But if you think that you have a idea and the skill to code it then send it to network@filefront.com and we will be more than happy to look at it.
-------------------------------
Here are a few things that i thought of when I first looked at adding this news item for the feedback.

User submitted news - Members are not submitting important news when they find it or indeed create it.
Forums - A better intergration of the forums and using them for things like tutorials and so on were they can be discussed and questions asked.
Interviews - Hardly any mod teams are requesting to be interviewed for the sites. When in reality it is great way to not only get the od noticed but the team as well.

 #59 - 11-10-2009 at 04:21
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
User submitted news - Members are not submitting important news when they find it or indeed create it.
I had two issues with that:
1. Former admins Ignoring send in news.
2. Filefront was quite a while pretty much inoperable, at least this is what we have been told.

Forums - A better intergration of the forums and using them for things like tutorials and so on were they can be discussed and questions asked.
We should be able to upload files, like it was before...
If i make a tutorial at the forums i need to unload the images on a separate place...
...before I could attach the image as file and include that into the tutorial.

Interviews - Hardly any mod teams are requesting to be interviewed for the sites. When in reality it is great way to not only get the od noticed but the team as well.
The Ideas is not that mod teams are crawling towards the admins and beg for Interviews.
For interesting releases (first Major release of a mod as for example) there could be a Summary Interview(current,future/plans). That would be a nice practise for good journalism big grin

 #60 - 11-10-2009 at 04:44
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
Admins ignoring newws may have been true but as you can see now the senior staff are pushing things through and ensuring that things like this are not ignored.
Filefronts submit news has never been broken so that is not really relevant tbh.

I agree that there is a issue with attachments on the forums (don't know why ) However every member has the ability to create there own album on there which can be used in the forums. This is actually a better way to do it so the original poster keeps full control over those pictures. You can even use them if you post it on other sites.

No one said that they should go crawling to site staff. People are getting the wrong impression about our staff. They are not there to serve there own interests they are there to ensure that files and news is posted promptly and should be approachable by all. If a mod team wants to promote there work via a interview then our staff will do that. In some cases our staff will approach the mods team. However normal members are more than welcome to ask the staff to interview a mod team if they want to know more about future plans and so on.
Modesty will stop a lot of modders from requesting a interview but they can use the submit news. From our side I will encourage our staff to try and add 1 interview a month per site. (note the word encourage not demand)

 #61 - 11-10-2009 at 05:42
brok
From:
Joined: November 3rd, 2002
Posts: 1355
I wasn't referring to the near-shutdown as an april fools prank, I just meant april fools pranks in general.

What about the POTD overdue idea? Does it sound feasible?

 #62 - 11-10-2009 at 05:58
Arron_Dominion
Joined: May 18th, 2005
Posts: 454
It is better than it was after the initial transfer of ownership. The dl speed is a little off from what it used to be imo.

Site specific: I attempted to contact EFFiles admins about two maps I submitted, probably over a month now (contacted them a week and a half after submission) and never got a response. I am not exactly sure if it was my email messing up (going to blame it on this) or other reasons. It might be helpful if the actual email address was given instead of the email form to help prevent situations such as these.

 #63 - 11-10-2009 at 06:21
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
# 61 ok but are you saying we are not allowed to have a little fun on the way. We are not stiffs in suits we are gamers just like you. In fact we all started as members here.
The potd pending idea will not be looked into simply because it is not needed. If there are no pics left in a sites queue then having the same pic up does encourage others to send one in just to get rid of the other one. Sorry

# 62 We are currently looking at ways to improve how contact details are made available for all sites and it will include contacting the Network Admins who have the permissions to chase up files and staff from all sites. In the meantime please send me as much info as you can about your complaint to ian@filefront.com and I will look into it for you.

For more general inquiries or complaints then please direct them to network@filefront.com

So far you are all coming up with some great ideas and great insight into how you want to use the sites and how you use them now. Keep up the great work.
I was expecting a very heated debate yet you have all to a man (or women) expressed yourselves in a very mature manner and for that I thank you.

 #64 - 11-10-2009 at 06:24
Canderis
From:
Joined: March 16th, 2008
Posts: 240
I love this site. I think its great. I only have a few rants.

The full-page advertisements. They re-direct me at random and as I was adding a file it messed me up.

The voting system. I added a file and within 30 seconds of it being up on filefront for everyone to download it was rated a 1. Because of that it completely ruined my rating.

The last issue I have is the add banners that come up from the bottom. I have no issue with them on the computer, but when I check this site on my ipod it covers the whole screen and there's no X to close it.

Other than these issues the site is great!

 #65 - 11-10-2009 at 06:55
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
I unfortunately alienated myself big time from this network but you mix the good with the bad these days I guess. I refuse to criticize anymore because it would only be taken out of context again and I don't have the time to fight a couple of people over who said what and why they said it but all I can say is it is all there to be fixed, and it is plain as day how it can be fixed but until people own up as some have said then nothing will happen. Accountability and Responsibilty are key for getting things done in any shape or form.

To be perfectly honest I am shocked to hear about EF Files being complained about - I honestly thought I left it in good enough hands to keep the standard up. It's disappointing to see it criticized, but its not for me to get involved.

As for Legacy Files, the situation there is not as grave as being made out - one mod team's mod, not the team, was banned for stealing mods from Bridge Commander modders. Before we couldn't prove it due to no one standing up but some did and we got proof. So the banning of that mod was carried out by me, not the current staff, as it was part of Filefront's rules. As for the team walking away, that is your team Tjoz and to be honest Tim it was your decision, which I respect. You were not forced out. I know you a few years and I still respect you alot (even if you are Australian stick out tongue) but I have to say at least the guys are trying to keep the site updated with new polls, it is difficult to sail the seas with a broken boat.

I guess though now that the old site remains broken and new features are in the works, as stated previously on many occasions, then forget about fixing the old system that will be obsolete and unused, and simply press on with a new system that does work. Why fix something that you are planning to replace when you can simply replace it quicker than fix it?

 #66 - 11-10-2009 at 07:24
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
Thank you for clearing the situation up with Legacy files.

The voting being broken has nothing to do with the current system or any new features or new system. It is a server issue so switching to new layouts or back end will not fix that. It has to be done by someone much higher up than n0e.

Accountability and Responsibilty. hmm well as you said we are not getting into this again but I do disagree with you here. What is needed is action but before that can happen this news item needs to run its course.
Simply doing something for the sake of it is not productive but here and now we are finding what it is the members want to see changed, added or improved upon.
We would prefer to get this right first time as apposed to tweeking things later on.

 #67 - Criticing - 11-10-2009 at 07:43
HAkz
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Joined: October 30th, 2007
Posts: 61
Ready? Here's my of things that need fixing and things that dont.

Ads: I agree with #43, some of the adds are getting out of hand. Not only the evony ads. When valentines day roles around every where I look there are dang viagra or whatever ads and I think thats innapropriate. It offending to some people and plain innapropriate for others (such as young kids who visit this site). The full webpage ads and the bottom of the screen ones are very annoying as well. But I understand that filefront needs supporting, so I am willing to put up with the last two I mentioned.

Downloading: I don't know about anybody else but the new downloading system is annoying... I am not saying it does not work. The performence of the system seems the same too me but you have to go through multiple web pages just to download a file.

The voting system: It needs fixing but that is not on the top of my list.

Other than those complaints I realy enjoy filefront. The forums are very friendly, and interractive. The staff are very helpful and professional. And the file archive is probably the biggest on the internet... not to sound dramatic but if filefront went down for good gamers would be very very bored.

Filefront is really the only game filehosting site I acually trust to not get a some sort of horrible virus from. And I hope it stay's that way.

This concludes my criticing...

-HAkz

 #68 - Just one thing - 11-10-2009 at 10:07
dauntless
Joined: December 15th, 2002
Posts: 623
Fix the bloody voting/rating system!

oh by the way
Milk and cookies would be nice too! big grin

Thank you very much for such a good service over the years!

 #69 - #34 - 11-10-2009 at 10:42
MatmanDude
Joined: November 7th, 2007
Posts: 1114
I didn't mean that you would actually upload free movies, shows, and music. Just have sites about certain movies, shows, and musicians/bands.

Then the members could just upload our own personally made files. Just stuff related to it. I mean... it doesn't break copyright for you to have Battlefield 2 files or Flight Sim X files or JK2-3 files or any of the others. Why would it break copyright laws to have a sort of fan site for all those other things (not video game related)? Like Star Wars files... and Burn Notice files... and Big & Rich files lol (yes I listen mainly to country).

I'm not into illegal downloading and ripping folks off either. I was just talking about a place where fans of that other stuff could download other fan's stuff on it... have a POTD for it... and forums to discuss it.

If you guys don't wanna do that, then that's cool. I understand how hard it would be to create that many new sites. But, it was just a thought. Just to help bring people here and make FF a little more diversified.

 #70 - 11-10-2009 at 11:05
holty12345
From: (Reading)
Joined: August 5th, 2009
Posts: 276
i like it here as there are a lot of good mods and every 1 tries hard in there work and most of the time people respect each other.
i also like how it is constanly growing in size

 #71 - #66 - 11-10-2009 at 11:25
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
Oh okay I see, I guess you guys are still on it then.

 #72 - my map - 11-10-2009 at 11:33
saracen_games_community
From: (Gravesend kent)
Joined: September 5th, 2009
Posts: 8
I had a map uploaded but it is not there yet, but i will wait, i will not wait weeks

 #73 - 11-10-2009 at 11:40
GOODY (Staff)
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Posts: 1000
# 72 what site ?

 #74 - 11-10-2009 at 11:56
Michael_Mikes
From: (Brisbane, QLD)
Joined: October 31st, 2008
Posts: 831
There is currently a problem on C&C Files specifically where the "Latest 50 Files" section no longer shows up.

 #75 - 11-10-2009 at 11:56
Arron_Dominion
Joined: May 18th, 2005
Posts: 454
Sorry if my post seemed like a complaint, I was just trying to give a suggestion on how to improve

 #76 - 11-10-2009 at 11:59
n0e (Staff)
From: (Spring Hill, TN)
Joined: February 27th, 2004
Posts: 29
Just as an FYI, the issue that is affecting the bug fixes for the polls and other voting systems found on the network is being looked into and should be fixed sometime this week. It's not an easy fix but rather a very time consuming one that will take around 6-8 hours (uninterrupted) of time to remedy. It's what has caused the delay for so long. Having that length of time available to those that can fix this has not happened until this week.

I also just wanted to say thanks to all for replying to this article and voicing your concerns and other opinions. Keep it up!

 #77 - 11-10-2009 at 12:31
GOODY (Staff)
From:
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Posts: 1000
That is great news n0e. smile

 #78 - 11-10-2009 at 13:07
gamma_97
From:
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Posts: 48
occasionally i get download errors and the voting and rating system doesn't work, it says i already voted

 #79 - 11-10-2009 at 14:10
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
There is a voting error ? really. As said before please read what people have said before posting. It avoids remarks like the one i just posted stick out tongue
Infact just read up 2 posts from yours smile

 #80 - idea - 11-10-2009 at 15:11
IANF1
From: (Pennsylvania)
Joined: March 2nd, 2009
Posts: 301
i have an idea to considerably reduce your space usage.
files get updated from time to time ({mod name} v1>v2)
but when they do get updated i think you should delete the older versions
now i don't mean that it's only the latest one that stays but in fact i mean
that if a mod is v4 then v3 should still be there in case the modder uses
v3 for insperation on an update

 #81 - 11-10-2009 at 15:28
Mini_8ball
From: (Tipton)
Joined: January 28th, 2007
Posts: 139
tbh the networks okay, u just need more safety, i keep getting random crap in this comment box for things like ***** enlargement and get abs in 7days or porn sites, its really annoying, i almost clicked post before with it all in the box!

 #82 - 11-10-2009 at 17:46
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
I can agree with #80.
I have pointed this out a while ago, and I bet I'm not the first one who noticed that there are many trash files.
Some files are more than 5 times hosted on filefront...
There should be a System to check the file (checksum/name/size or what ever) to ensure a file is not hosted 20 times with the same name same version at a different category.

I know that some things might complicate this, but I believe if filefront wants to change that, now would be a excellent time! Modernise the system and you don't have to bother with some of the current issues and consequences filefront is dealing with, I hope you catch my drift.

 #83 - 11-10-2009 at 18:04
brok
From:
Joined: November 3rd, 2002
Posts: 1355
Quote:
The potd pending idea will not be looked into simply because it is not needed. If there are no pics left in a sites queue then having the same pic up does encourage others to send one in just to get rid of the other one.

I think I need to clarify again: While what you say is true in that situation- at the sites I'm at, having no pics in the queue is never an issue that pops up. The problem is that staff let the same pic get stagnant on the site for ages even after everyone's submitted more to get rid of the current one. This isn't an isolated incident either. So you see- it's not a measure to encourage members to submit more, it's a measure to remind the staff to update the POTD. After all, it is not called Picture of the DAY without reason.

Considering it's one of the first things a visitor sees on entering the site, it's the biggest indicator of a site's level of activity, since regardless of file and news updates, come rain or shine, the POTD is new every day. At least in theory, anyway.

 #84 - 11-10-2009 at 19:37
thunderfoot007
Joined: January 30th, 2009
Posts: 102
Just got done reading this posting and all the comments. Wow, surprising how many besides myself dislike the anonymous "1" vote. I guessed it was more than a few, I just did not realize how many. A lot of people have already suggested things and ideas I thought of so I really have little to add to this. I am also delighted to see NA's and Staff seem to actually care about what us ordinary members really think about FF. This is quite pleasant to see.

The only thing I could add which is not in all the previous comments is this:

Show me.

You say you want FF to be better? You say you are working to make FF better? You say you're listening to members about how to improve the place? Good. Glad to hear of it. Even gladder to see NA's and Staff interacting with ordinary members in such a positive fashion. But there has been entirely too much rhetoric thrown around already.

Show me,

Nothing would restore my trust in the NA's and Staff of the current version of FF faster than to actually see all of the things you've discussed and promised implemented as fast as humanly possible. Faster would be much preferred. Nothing would keep me from ever coming here again faster than for this posting and all of the replies to it to be yet another example fo NA and Staff "handling" members by giving them a "feel good" piece of news. And it is a pretty safe bet I am not the only person thinking this way. So I will repeat myself one more time.

Show me.

 #85 - another idea - 11-10-2009 at 20:04
IANF1
From: (Pennsylvania)
Joined: March 2nd, 2009
Posts: 301
how about post editing... (after editing and forum post editing)

what i mean is that we should be able to edit our forum posts like within 10 mins of the actual post. (same thing that the casual collective site does) this means no more sorry for double post but i just thought of something..... you get it.

i realize this may have been suggested earlier but i am just to lazy to read every single post XD

 #86 - 11-10-2009 at 20:23
Mikouen
From: (Hull)
Joined: July 18th, 2008
Posts: 219
I don't mean to sound brash with it, but one thing I'd have definitely been pursuing, were I still on staff, is a more community-oriented focus and a much more stable interfacing between staff and community.

Right now, it basically comes down to juggling people between other duties, and IMO handling the community would be better done by implementing a specific, dedicated front for investigating/resolving community issues and coordinating more community interaction.

That kinda limits the time and effort that can be funnelled into supporting, cultivating and mediating the community, which I suspect is likely behind quite a few of the common attitudes and grievances towards the network.

Focusing on the files is all well and good, but that may well lead to some downfall eventually. Like I said to Jeff, with server space becoming cheaper and cheaper, all hosting services are edging closer and closer to obsolescence, since people could just get their own server space and retain full control at all times.

When you had something no one else could provide, but people don't need it any more, the surefire way to stay in the ballgame is to grab the initiative and find something else you can provide that no one else can, yeah?

Perhaps upgrading standards of service across the whole network as opposed to 'at discretion', then shifting a focus towards well-rounded fansites/community hubs could be something worth looking into - people do appreciate effort.

I'm sure you chumps can come up with somethin', at any rate. :3

 #87 - #71 and #66 - 11-11-2009 at 01:31
tjoz
From:
Joined: June 27th, 2007
Posts: 311
I still stand by what I said, bad language and all ;p

I do know the reasons why mods were banned, and know of the issues surrounding that mod continuing on at Legacy Files but the site bias is still there. A mod team does have a monopoly over the operations of that site. Its not a fair representation of the community over there. No one can get fair representation when a mod team has operational control over a community site. When things happen once, yes thats a coincidence, but when it starts repeating. Thats no coincidence at all... That is monopolizing a community and an abuse of power. I may be over looking into specific situations but if it was just a one time occurrence its nothing everyone goes on with what they do but its happened more than once. And more than one person has picked up on it so its not just me.

The guys at LF may be trying but still wont try anything new. They wont take any initiative unless you (IKS) or someone else tells them to. They shouldnt need someone to hold there hand all the time. Guidance is one thing but they need to grow some balls and step up and take initiative. I will still visit the site as I like seeing what people come up with and may send in non-Aftermath material to the site but its just frustrating without bringing personal issues into it. You have one good staff member but the rest are like sheep.

Yes I walked away from the site and took my mod with me. Personal reasons for it plus Legacy Files and all the network sites in general dont really cater to large mods as what ModDB does. The network sites are good for downloads but not good for showcasing mods like what ModDB has going for it.

 #88 - 11-11-2009 at 02:08
GOODY (Staff)
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Posts: 1000
# 81 that issue will disapear when the voting bug is fixed and we have been informed that it will be done this week.

# 82 That is something the owners will have to look into as it is not within our control. For what it is worht though we the staff would like a easier way to simply mirror files hosted on our parent site.

# 83 That is more a staff issue. The NA's that the ability to post the potd on all sites but we do not like to interfere with how the site managers run there sites. Maybe that is going to have to change to make sure things are done promptly.

# 84 Yep we do care what members think and we have had some great suggestions and feedback for all who are taking part in this. Changes are coming and very soon tbh.

# 85 That has been suggested and answered a few times already.

# 86 I have already started getting other sites more involved in our network and that is going great. I am now focusing on how we can improve member interaction here and looking at ways to ensure all members have there ideas considered and were possible put into place. That aside what is starting to show is that on some sites modders / mappers don't feel that we are doing enough to promote there work. Now as you know we cannot go overboard for every single file sent in but I will be looking to identify the bigger releases and make tools available for the devs to help us to promote there work. This is going to rely on a lot of modder / staff co-operation and to that end the NA's are going to have to be available to get stuck into this as well.

We are listening so keep them coming. smile

 #89 - 11-11-2009 at 04:18
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
I'm glad about the reaction people have had. It shows people care about the site and want to continue using it. In addition, I'm pleased with the staff reaction, and their willingness to respond

 #90 - 11-11-2009 at 05:42
GOODY (Staff)
From:
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Posts: 1000
So am I. When i first put this forward there was a feeling that it would turn into a *****ing session which probably why I was a little defensive at first. However everyone who has taken part in this so far have been brilliant and shown that they really do care about this place. That in it's self has given every one of us a real boost and a determination to make things better allround.
Thank you all again Two Thumbs Up!

 #91 - 11-11-2009 at 07:06
n0e (Staff)
From: (Spring Hill, TN)
Joined: February 27th, 2004
Posts: 29
"Focusing on the files is all well and good, but that may well lead to some downfall eventually. Like I said to Jeff, with server space becoming cheaper and cheaper, all hosting services are edging closer and closer to obsolescence, since people could just get their own server space and retain full control at all times."

True, however there are two reasons why having them hosted on a site like us.

First, we're free. The vast majority of the mod community creates these mods as a hobby in their spare time. While getting your own website can be cheap it drastically narrows your advertising to the communities of the mod you created. Any sites that review the mods will almost certainly host their own copy of it to download on their servers anyway. So it just saves them money.

Second, I do not like to think of the network sites as just download repositories of files, but rather a community of mod authors and players alike playing games they enjoy with a place to discuss them and share different visions of how they feel the game could be done.

I admit that, however thanks to the lack of any sort of attention whatsoever by ZD during their reign over FileFront, we've been dumped with a load of work to get things more modern. I'm sure you've seen that with the front page and, like it or not, it's showing that we're working on updating every facet of the site. The network was always tricky though. It is built on proprietary source code that only a few know how to manage and manipulate properly combined with the very limited resources we have to work on any given project at one time means that progress, regardless of how much attention is given to it will be slow, but we will have progress.

Time will tell what the sites will look like in the future. Either complete overhauls or just redone from the ground up.

 #92 - 11-11-2009 at 08:55
kleersteel
From: (New Orleans)
Joined: January 9th, 2003
Posts: 4
Wow...haven't seen this much action in a long time on this topic! smile Pretty much everything that is / was a problem is being looked into. I always come to this board for my mod / file fixes and compared to the other download sites, you guys Rock It is sad that it's not what it use to be with the Xbox360 and PS3 taking all the glory nowadays and pretty soon you will have to wear a hat and long trench coat and go in the back room of the video games stores to find any PC games. I hope something happens to shake up the way things are going.....anyway, hats off to you guys for keeping THE best network out there and thanks for caring!! . :thumbsup beer

 #93 - 11-11-2009 at 08:58
Digz (Staff)
From: (London)
Joined: March 26th, 2006
Posts: 1090
I know that this particular aspect has been worked on just recently. However I've pushed for this when I first started working at FF a good 6 years ago, and this was a better mod developer page.

I know it's been worked on, but I think we can still work on it a bit better. For example, the intereaction between members and modders, and for all members can be better if we had a communication system other than emails through the outdated email box we get when we click on member usernames.

It could be like the forum profiles we get, but for on the sites instead, that could serve well and also increase interaction with staff pages of those being visible to help interaction between staff and members. I always comment on items and files and try to make myself 'seem like a member', because that's what I am essentially, all staff are, we are members of this community, the only difference is that we do the donkey work stick out tongue

All the suggestions above seem good, but my main aspect is trying to get everyone not just downloading, I want everyone to interact and make comments, a bit idealistic I know, but it would make the sites and the community seem and be in reality a lot friendlier. I will be looking at these ideas about community cohesion a lot more closely, as I'm into those things and always try to test out new ideas in how to make it better.

 #94 - 11-11-2009 at 09:08
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
Quote:
you will have to wear a hat and long trench coat and go in the back room of the video games stores to find any PC games.


I already do that.................................................

 #95 - 11-11-2009 at 09:24
n0e (Staff)
From: (Spring Hill, TN)
Joined: February 27th, 2004
Posts: 29
Where I live you will notice that more and more stores are shrinking their areas for pc games. Honestly I do not see this as a threat to pc gaming. It just shows how much more reliable and efficient digital distribution is for pc games.

Anyway, I got off track.

I'll be reading this quite heavily for users feedback as will the other administrators of the network.

I look forward to hearing more about us and your thoughts of what you wish to see added/removed.

 #96 - 11-11-2009 at 11:09
Adm_Zaxxon
Joined: June 29th, 2009
Posts: 430
I love this site. The only thing I would improve would bee all the page switching, and popping up adds that seem to infest these sites. Either way, its the best site out there.

 #97 - @ Arron_Dominion RE Elite Force Files. - 11-11-2009 at 11:19
Luke20 (Staff)
From: (Southampton)
Joined: January 11th, 2004
Posts: 753
@ Arron_Dominion: I'm sorry to say that I've not got any messages from you recently, and if there is trouble with files, I always get in touch with developers. Perhaps you could try resubmitting these files? I can assure you that if you have any problems with the site, I'll try and do my best to sort them out. smile

Elite Force Files is one of the smaller sites - not as active as it once was, but still going! Equally, one of us two staff members has recently had trouble logging in to our admin screen, so if you sent a message to him, that could have failed. eek!

 #98 - 11-11-2009 at 13:38
anus_panda
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Posts: 43
Can't really comment, the only time I come here is when I mistakenly click it in my favourites when aiming for something else involving the word 'front'.

I saw (or heard, may have imagined) a feature on the Initial-D World website whereby a news item was linked directly to a forum post. Sounds like a great idea as it would give the posters better control over their comments and links, modders could update their own media and content, therefor all the web staff would have to do is find the stories and create forum posts to link on the main site. I haven't been to the FileFront forums in a while but I'm assuming they're pretty dead, though it would put a strain on the forums (back them up!) it would negate any future problems with people logging in and posting comments. Voting could/would have to remain on the main site I guess.

Anyway, that was just my thought. I prefer browsing forums then web pages, people seem more comfortable there and I can have my signature.

(...and correct my spelling mistakes whenever I want...)

 #99 - A Riddle - 11-11-2009 at 15:07
Pro-Filer (Staff)
From: (Amsterdam)
Joined: March 2nd, 2001
Posts: 2724
What shooting game was uber-chaotic, contained non-stop action, then had a terrible sequel but is soon coming out with a promising part 3?

Riddle riddle riddle, seek ye this game and thou shalt find a glimpse of what's to come.

 #100 - 11-11-2009 at 15:27
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
That is a Serious riddle there. I don't think even Sam could work that one out stick out tongue
(am i right ? if i am I like what i see)

 #101 - 11-11-2009 at 15:54
MrIrksome
From: (Springville/Ut)
Joined: July 8th, 2006
Posts: 78
To #92, 94, & 95.
I think that a reason for the shrinking interest in pc games is that the game developers are treating the customers like thieves. I don't have internet access on my computer at home. and though it sounds crazy there are still people out there who don't have or feel a need for the internet. most new games that come out require you to have internet access just to be able to install the game. (I made the mistake of pre-ordering Dawn of War II). That infuriates me and there are many games which I can't play now. I once thought game hackers were stupid. (I like having an original hard copy of my game.) But with the way game developers are releasing game like this, I now have changed my mind.

Now for the point of the post. I love File Front and have been coming here for years. I originally found armada II files but then found other game fronts too. I hope File front stays around forever. the first things that I thought of when reading this post was this: The ads. Goody, I know everyone else has mentioned it, and you've responded to it, but I still have to say it. Can't you please find a better way to do it than that annoying pop up bar at the bottom of the screen? Ads are fine make your money, as I said I want this site to be here forever. But ads are not fine when they get in my way. Especially when I am redirected to an add. Just two days ago I was trying to look a some screen shots for a mod for Star Wars: Empire at War and instead I kept getting redirected to a huge add. I was not happy.

The only suggestion that I can think of though is specifically for the Empire at war File Front. Please Organize your mods. It would be so much nicer if you organized them like other game fronts do. Examples are, Armada II files, Starfleet Command III Files, or Dawn of War Files.

But that's all I can think of for now. Thanks Guys!

 #102 - #99 - 11-11-2009 at 16:42
MatmanDude
Joined: November 7th, 2007
Posts: 1114
Only one I can think of is Far Cry. And I never played the sequel so I wouldn't know if it sucked or not lol.

 #103 - 11-11-2009 at 23:08
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
ppl plz stay on topic

 #104 - 11-12-2009 at 05:09
dauntless
Joined: December 15th, 2002
Posts: 623
What about the problems we've had with people downloading ancient files from here i.e getting BCMI and BCMP instead of BCUT ect. These files are quite rightly consigned to the outdated abyss, but are still being downloaded because they are still on the top 10 list!

I propose that all files in the outdated abyss be henceforth removed from the top 10 files lists and no further file from said abyss be allowed onto the top 10 lists.

 #105 - 11-12-2009 at 05:13
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
The top 10 files are listed by how many downloads that week. If people are downloading outdated files then that is obviously what they want to download.
Sorry but we will never interfere with that list.

 #106 - 11-12-2009 at 05:17
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
When you comment and have a problem with a specific site please make sure you actually name it. This is a network wide news item and simply throwing tool names like BCUT around without telling it's from Bridge Commander has little to no use for the network administrators.

 #107 - 11-12-2009 at 06:36
PKM
From: (Philadelphia)
Joined: June 25th, 2005
Posts: 1029
Quote:
#99 - A Riddle - Posted by: Pro-Filer (FileFront Network Manager) on 11-11-2009 at 17:07
What shooting game was uber-chaotic, contained non-stop action, then had a terrible sequel but is soon coming out with a promising part 3?
Riddle riddle riddle, seek ye this game and thou shalt find a glimpse of what's to come.

here's a riddle ; how about instead of posting humor you fix this thing ? how about coming up with a limerick explaining why when i clicked on comment #97, it expanded then redirected me to the filefront home page and from there redirected me to a full window splash page for that retarded dragon fister game ?

 #108 - 11-12-2009 at 07:31
Luke20 (Staff)
From: (Southampton)
Joined: January 11th, 2004
Posts: 753
Thats more of a... question... really.

 #109 - 11-12-2009 at 07:53
GOODY (Staff)
From:
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Posts: 1000
# 106 as it says in the news item but for his particular inquiry it is not relevant as I said we will not be messing with the top 10 files.

# 107 Your shouting at the wrong person and adverts have already been raised as a issue.

 #110 - 11-12-2009 at 10:30
Hardy231
Joined: July 11th, 2009
Posts: 9
Its a well gd network, its got everything... but there needs to me a mount and blade filefront, after they sorted out the bugs... the staff is good and friendly...

lots of food and eating as well

 #111 - 11-12-2009 at 11:52
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
@ #109
Not everyone understands that it is the ads which create these redirecting issues.

@To everyone having Troubles
Get Firefox (or Opera, I dono if that works with Opera) and install a add-on to protect your self.
For Firefox the add-on is "Addblock Plus"
And get the Developer Toolbar by Chris Penderick and select there Deactivate->Javascript->Strict Warnings.
This will allow you to visit the sites and the strange Issues are almost all gone.


Btw, what makes me angry is that my Potd titles are changed without explanation and its not because my titles where inappropriate.
But the worst part of it is that the new title takes all the sense away from the potd and makes a impression as if I would have no brain to come up with something more meaningful as regular all-day phrases.
I hate to take this issue here, but since I get ignored, and I'm sick of waiting for a answer while more titles are undergoing a questionable change I see no alternative.

 #112 - #111 - 11-12-2009 at 11:57
MatmanDude
Joined: November 7th, 2007
Posts: 1114
Quote:
Btw, what makes me angry is that my Potd titles are changed without explanation and its not because my titles where inappropriate.

It's annoying sometimes yes. But, you're just going to have to deal with it. Taking it here isn't going to get you anywhere.

 #113 - 11-12-2009 at 12:10
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
# 111 can you give we a example with a link to the pic and post what the original title was. Thanks

 #114 - 11-12-2009 at 12:12
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
# 111: To quote from the upload form:
Note, by submitting this picture, you agree that the staff of this site has the right to change or use another name / caption / description for this picture!


It may be annoying to you but that is something we can not clear here, you will have to bring this to the attention of the manager of the site you are visiting (I'm sure this would be Luke20 in your case).

 #115 - 11-12-2009 at 12:37
GOODY (Staff)
From:
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Posts: 1000
# 114 I have already asked for a example so I can look into it. He stated that he had already tried to contact the staff on the site.
So I will now do that again please provide a example with a link and the original title.

 #116 - Goody @105 - 11-12-2009 at 12:39
dauntless
Joined: December 15th, 2002
Posts: 623
The people who are downloading the old outdated utilities are risking incompatibility, instability and who knows how many other issues by using the older (sometimes much older) utilities and files over the current ones.
Although I used bcfiles as an example, it really should apply to all the sites in the network.
It would save an amazing amount of newbies having problems with the older software and posting the same old "OMFG 11!!!!oneONE MAI SOFTWHERE DUNT WERK WHY?!?!??!?!?!?" .
Perhaps a sticky or two in the respective forums may help the problem, but honestly who ever reads stickies on their first time in a forum?

Let me go back to my BCMP and BCUT example (from BCFILES).
The now ancient BCMP file has been known to cause problems quite a lot more of the time than would be liked. It's screwed up more than one of my installs in the past and the mess it makes is a nightmare to fix without a clean uninstall. The "ship plugin fixer" feature in it is more or less useless tending to break more than it fixes. And it will always insist you install the very old version of foundation it holds even if you have the latest one! this alone causes a massive amount of problems that are near impossible to fix.

BCUT has all the the features BCMP has and a whole lot more in a much nicer, much better thought out package. It's more efficient and it's plugin fixer actually does fix the plugins! Even more unbelievably it can repair the damage that BCMP can do without a reinstall! It also has a ship hardpoint file tweaker, a ship description importer/merger and facilities to import a large number of ships in one go rather than the old way of doing each one separately.

That was just one example. Why should people have to put up with problems because they downloaded old software that they thought was the latest just because it was still in the top 10? It's something that has to be changed simply due to the potential problems that can happen.

And after all that ranting, please be assured that I do appreciate this opportunity to vent and voice my opinion! It's part of what makes filefront superior!!

Thankyou for staying in the game for this long offering thousands of files, at a decent speed and for the grand price of absolutely sweet FA. It's much appreciated!

F**k me that's one long***** post!

 #117 - 11-12-2009 at 12:43
dauntless
Joined: December 15th, 2002
Posts: 623
oh! something I forgot to mention!
How's about a means of being able to tell roughly how long someone has been a member here? So one could tell a newbies post from one made by an old hand. If they were both offering different answers to someone's question then perhaps it could be used to tell which one should be taken with a pinch of salt.
A karma system maybe?

Or am I being too demanding? hehe stick out tongue

 #118 - 11-12-2009 at 12:45
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
@ Goody: As the time difference of 2 minutes may show I was not aware of your reply until I clicked "Add this Comment now!", that's why it states this.

@ dauntless: As the issue before this is a site specific thing. BCFiles has decided to keep things available for a better overview in a category called the "Outdated Abyss", which can be accessed like all other categories. The more comon method used on other sites is to mark such files as outdated with a link to the most recent file, which generates the typical "red message" above and below the description. If you disagree with the way BCFiles handles this I would suggest to get in touch with Starforce 2 or Blackrook32.

 #119 - In response to the PotD title thing... - 11-12-2009 at 12:49
Luke20 (Staff)
From: (Southampton)
Joined: January 11th, 2004
Posts: 753
I've changed two of Chriss' PotD titles recently. Just two. First one because I thought it was pretty confusing to read, and the second because the picture was submitted without a title, so I had to make one up.

I don't really see why that is such a problem, but I'm willing to change them back / sort them out if people really want me to...

 #120 - 11-12-2009 at 12:56
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
As Pille said we have said all files have the ability to be out dated. Contact the site manager and let them know what files are out dated and provide links to the old and new version.
Pille this about the network in general it is not about a specific site manager or site. So please stop mentioning names and sites as it is distracting. If there is a problem with a specific site then email me ian@filefront.com and I will look into it in private.

 #121 - 11-12-2009 at 14:29
PKM
From: (Philadelphia)
Joined: June 25th, 2005
Posts: 1029
Quote:
#109 - Posted by: GOODY (FileFront Network Admin) on 11-12-2009 at 09:53
# 107 Your shouting at the wrong person and adverts have already been raised as a issue.

please goody, i'm not shouting .
i understand fully that the complaint about constant pop-up ads being on the site has been addressed, i'm bringing up how the pop up ads automatically pull you from one page to the main page and a second later to a splash ad page . not from when you first arrive at a site but once or twice when you are attempting to read a comment .

 #122 - 11-12-2009 at 15:14
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
@ #112 & #114
Quote the rules as often as you please, I have a reason to complain when I do complain.
And I'm taking this here because here everyone can read and perhaps anyone else has had issues like this.
Besides, you guys might be happy with how it is right now, most of us are absolutely not.
I'm not asking to change that rule, I just want to point it out what I think about it, as my opinion has been answered with rule qoutes the past few years the past few years, I think now as you guys ask what I think of the Network you shall get a honesty answer.
-AND-
Don't be surpised if ppl don't submit podt anymore if thair concept will no loneger work.
I remember a time at wich you where able to do a series with potd and ppl could follow the concept.
This time is gone, and you can't realy do anything with potds anymore as just make a simple standalone image for a single day, UNLESS you are a admin at the site...
I understand that admins select files randomly, but I liked the way it was before better.

@ #119
It's not a big problem I have with you Luke.
But the last few years that happens to me very often that my title was changed, because admins failed to get the point, even if other native English speakers did get it.
If you think my title makes no sense or is just gibberish, it's my fault then.
How ever, if you take it in your hand by changing the title you take responsibility of the image making sense, you also take away my concept and me freedom to be creative. I submitted the empty title on purpose for protesting.

It's just that admins change things without thinking how the other person might feel about this, this is a network wide issue btw.

 #123 - 11-12-2009 at 15:34
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
# 121 Hey btw. Yep I thas been reported and we will be looking into it.

# 122. Sorry to say that you are wrong on this one. PotD get added to a queue and then added to the site in there turn. If for some reason you have added a series of pics and they have been interupted then chances are that someone else submitted a pic at the same time. Admins are not mind readers and may not realise that they are a series. As for the title changes there is no reason to except when following a few guidelines. 1 of those is to make sure the caption is in proper English. There can not be bad language either. We will look into revising those guidelines though.

Rest assured we will be getting back to you all when this is closed. So all questions will be answered.

 #124 - 11-12-2009 at 16:55
PKM
From: (Philadelphia)
Joined: June 25th, 2005
Posts: 1029
awesome-o, goody .

 #125 - 11-12-2009 at 17:21
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
#123
If I add a series I can see the # in enqueue after each upload.
Besides it has been officially decided by the admins of effiles that they decide to follow a random pattern for the podt.
It is their decision I can accept even when I'm not happy with it. So I'm perfectly correct at what I'm saying.

I don't tend use bad language in titles.
Proper English, well, if we would count all titles I bet 70% are not "Proper English" at all.
How ever, if you offer interactivity and put restrictions on it which make the user feel uncomfortable the user will not interact for long.

 #126 - 11-12-2009 at 19:34
TiberiousKirk
From:
Joined: November 1st, 2007
Posts: 323
I would like to see a way to make the Advertisements optional. I know the site depends on them, but I would like to go five minutes without a pop-up. When I'm on the site it is like every few second I'm hitting an X button.

 #127 - Star Wars Battlefront Files - 11-12-2009 at 21:44
Kamikaze_Crocodile
Joined: October 22nd, 2009
Posts: 17
The service here... well, we do have some upload and download troubles... some troublemaking users in general. the punishments made against users don't seem to be adequate. I think staff could be a little stricter against troublemaking users. Umm... Oh. Voting issues and the poll could be fixed. Screenshots on the POTD could be a little... higher quality. Stop me if I've missed anything.

 #128 - 11-13-2009 at 02:24
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
# 125: There has never been an "official series" validation of POTDs. If a few POTDs are marked as a series and it is cleared with the administrator that is something that can be arranged, it is not a must though. Generally, on my site I do not post series of POTDs by one user as there are several users sending material in and I can't/don't prefer anyone. Matter of fairness to me.

Regarding the titles, administrators can and most likely will correct titles or change them if they include spelling errors, gramar errors or, what sometimes happens on WW2-based sites, titles in a different language. Nobody in the network staff can claim to be perfect, I know I make my typos and so do other administrators. But the POTD is something that jumps in your eye when you visit a site and tells something about its quality. That's why you agree to the rule I quoted every time you upload something.


# 127: Your suggestions will very likely be noted for the site's staff, voting and poll have been said many times above. Regarding the quality of screenshots though, I'm afraid you will have to have a word with those submitting them, the staff can only validate what's in line wink

 #129 - Filefront - 11-13-2009 at 03:42
Spartan717
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Joined: April 12th, 2009
Posts: 118
I can't vote on polls, overall I use filefront the most to download mods. There is so much content here!

 #130 - 11-13-2009 at 04:32
GOODY (Staff)
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Posts: 1000
For the final time- We the Network Adminstrators along with the management will look into how potd series are handled by the site managers. A genuine concern has been raised and we will review it.
The purpose of this news item is to gauge members concerns and look into them not to explain how we do things now but rather to see how we can improve things for the future. smile

 #131 - wake up - 11-13-2009 at 06:56
Zawiro
From: (Tarnow)
Joined: July 13th, 2009
Posts: 74
My files are waiting from October to be aproved DO SOMETHIN'!

 #132 - 11-13-2009 at 07:10
GOODY (Staff)
From:
Joined: April 24th, 2005
Posts: 1000
Can you say what site you are talking about like it asks in the actual news post.
Actually email me with the info. ian@filefront.com

I am going to close this now as I think we have more than enough to go on and it is starting to take a downward turn in the tone of the comments.
I thank you all for taking part and you have given us a lot to think about and look into.

We will make a new item about the changes that we will make as a result of this news item.
Thanks again to you all.



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